Geert Wilders and Ellis Island

No Irish Need Apply.

I am not saying that Canada exactly welcomes immigrants with open arms. In fact, like that of the USA, Canada's reception of immigrants has always been very mercenary and patronizing, with a strong dose of the cold shoulder shown to the new arrivals. There is simply too much evidence to the contrary for me to try and tell everyone that Canada is an immigrant-friendly place.

Having said that, there's two sides of the immigrant experience. One is the country of origin, and the other is the country of reception. It is truly astounding to see so many Europeans say how proud they are of their various diasporae on the one hand, while on the other complaining how their countries are being wrecked by immigration.

There was a time when Irish, Jewish, Polish, Czech, Greek, Italian, Finnish, Ukrainian, Portuguese and Hungarian immigrants were seen as just as alien, repellent and indigestible as many Europeans today see the Moroccans, Kurds and Pakistanis. Too often this is overlooked by the Europeans themselves. "But the difference is that we were good immigrants!" says the European. This ignores criminals like Al Capone, Meyer Lansky and Bugs Moran and terrorists like Sacco and Vanzetti or Leon Czolgosz, assassin of US President McKinley. The immigrants from Ireland and Southern and Eastern Europe were seen as anything but "good", bringing with them (it was said) "retarded religions" like Catholicism, Judaism and Eastern Orthodoxy, and dangerous and subversive ideas like socialism and anarchism - and ultimately violence, terror and revolution.

Europe, that's part of your heritage as much as it is of mine. Once your culture was seen by smug and self-satisfied people as hopelessly inferior, and even dangerous.

Remember Ellis Island.

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[myyou1]

@kubaniski

Geert Wilders has the encouragement of the Zionist- Jews and Chsristans. He was welcomed by Jewish senagogues in Florida to spew his Anti-Islam. Imagine if a Neo-Nazi was invited in to a Mosques or a Church -- and the hypocritical reaction of the Media

[Anekantavad]

@myyou1 Mr Wilders has his own counterparts in the Islamic world, and the synogogues that welcomed him have their counterparts in the mosques that encourage the vilification of Jews.

Both are wrong, but both sides are guilty of this sort of thing.

:-)

[myyou1]

@myyou1

That was in reply to "kubaniski "[whose post appeared just below yours] -- using the term "Animal" describing the Irish.

I clicked on the wrong "Post"

I appologize!

[myyou1]

@Anekantavad

Bigoted!

[kubaniski]

@Anekantavad my point about immigration into Europe is that because European nationhood is based on ethnic identity, Europ can not handle such transformations without the violence that we have seen only a few years ago in Yugoslava, the former soviet republics, the Basque conflict in Spain those are just the tip of the iceberg of inter-European ethnic conflicts. While the the US & Canada are based on ideas and economic rather then identity.

[Anekantavad]

@kubaniski Not to mention all the Jewish people in Greece who are not considered Greek, the Roma in Slovakia who are not considered Slovaks ... etc.

[kubaniski]

@Anekantavad lol, compared to most of Europe Canada is a capitalist dreamland, believe me i'm Polish. And there you have another good point as to why immigration to Europe is toughand not advised. To be Polish is a very narrow definition, it means to be of Polish birth rather then just born in Poland. It means Speaking Polish, acting Polish and looking Polish. In the village my girlfriend comes from the Tatars who have lived there for 300+ years are not considered Polish.

[Anekantavad]

@kubaniski Well, I'm Canadian, and we have the same problem as Belgium: 2 dominant linguistic groups. We are also way more multiethnic than Belgium. Problems in Europe are IMO the result of narrowly-defined nationality (ie you can be Muslim and Canadian, but Muslim and European?), coupled with the economic demographic of the immigrants (poor & uneducated while those in N America are neither).

Is Canada "socialist"? Immigrants to extremely well here :-)

[kubaniski]

@Anekantavad i'm fine with Muslims immigrant coming to the US, as we are well adapted to taking in different groups of people. Although i am against immigration of non euros into Europe as the socialist societies do not do well in multi ethnic environments. Look at nations like Belgium which constantly lacks a government because of its ethnic disputes, and that's just between Europeans.

[kubaniski]

@Anekantavad ...In the US if you come to america and you cant support yourself or start causing trouble you have a good chance of being deported because despite what the neo-cons will tell you immigrants do not receive welfare in the US. While in Europe in the lands of the welfare state governments often immediately take the immigrant masses into their arms and turn them into perpetual wards of the state who have little incentive to support themselves. cont...