Is the Roman Mass a Propitiatory Sacrifice - James White versus Robert Sungenis - Cross-Exam 4 of 4

Sungenis-White Mass Debate Cross-Exam 4 of 4 - Sungenis Cam

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[cbat36]

Sungenis used to get mad and lash out in his debates especially with Dave Hunt and White on a seperate occasion, you Romanist of course show him in his best light, probably took plenty of Prozac beforehand.

[pacislander4life]

that may be so... but it must be painful to see White squirm in this video...

[cbat36]

no really, I'm not a James White fan, he's a Calvinist, I'm a Bible believing Christian, I dont care for his arrogant attitude, but all Catholic apologists are arrogant as well, at least he believes in Sola Scriptura, and doesn't need some Nazi Pope to tell him what it means :)

[pacislander4life]

So, you are saying that Calvinism is not biblically based? How can both of you, James White and yourself, disagree... after all both of you are "at least", sola scripturists? How can the Bible lead you to two different understandings of the Bible?

[TheAmazingImbecile]

Name-ist, you're no better than a racist.

[sjennings86]

Thanks for posting! James White did an excellent job!

[cbat36]

@Keruaran "can't offer any strong scriptural exegesis"I can disprove Calvinism just by reading 1 Timothy "God our Saviour; Who will have ALL men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth...Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for ALL." 1Tim 2:3-4,6. "we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of ALL men, specially of those that believe." 1Tim 4:10 so God wants All men to be saved who gave himself a ransom for ALL and is the saviour of all men, how is the Atonement limited?

[cbat36]

@Keruaran "Reformed," there were other Reformers that weren't Calvinist, how about the Anabaptists? You've been brainwashed to believe you have to be a Calvinist or your an Arminian, both systems cast doubt on their Salvation, I believe if you Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ you will be saved and it's Eternal period. How do you KNOW you are one of the elect?

[Keruaran]

@cbat36

I am also well familiar with Dr White's program, his writing, the debates he has engaged in, and speak to him directly from time to time in his IRC channel. Most people I've encountered who "know Calvinism is not biblical" can't offer any strong scriptural exegesis to support their argument. If you can then I'm all ears. My faith is in Jesus Christ whom I know is a perfect Savior who shall lose not one whom the Father gives. Why are you seeking to cast doubt on my salvation?

[Keruaran]

@cbat36

I said I embraced Reformed Theology a few months ago. I've been a Christian for 24 years. What you did was differentiate 'Calvanist' from 'Bible believing Christian', the implication being that anyone who's theology is Reformed isn't a Bible believing Christian. But I shouldn't have to explain. Your wording was quite deliberate; You know exactly what you said and what you implied by it.

[cbat36]

@pacislander4life very simply, their is plenty of divisions in your own Catholic church, you have liberals, pre-Vatican 2 types, new agers, charismatic catholics, need I go on? yet they all believe in the Pope and the Magisterium how is that possible? now you get a taste of your own medicine, how does it taste?

[cbat36]

@Keruaran so you've been a "christian," for a few months and your going to bad mouth other believers? What is arrogant about saying I'm a bible believing christian? Obviously you haven't heard Mr. White very often, listen to his radio program, anyone who disagrees with him is in error, but he is always right? that is arrogance, I dont claim to always be right, but I know Calvinism is not biblical, If you were to die tonight are you 100% sure you would go to heaven?

[Keruaran]

@cbat36

"he's a Calvinist, I'm a Bible believing Christian"

Wow... And you call Dr White arrogant? I am also a Bible believing Christian who has in the last few months embraced Reformed Theology. Sadly, one thing I have had to get used to is that I barely have to make any comment at all before I'm faced with some of the most arrogant, condascending, presumptuous, scripturally ignorant, and downright hostility from "brothers" that I've ever had to deal with in my entire Christian walk.

[rev2214]

@candiceevans1

No! This channel is an attack on Christianity by Roman Catholics!!

[ctsfinestjon]

Aww man Robert got toasted in this one.If it weren't for the time running out Robert would have been humiliated