Greg Koukl - That's What You Are, What Am I?
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punchbowlhaircut 2 months ago
@punchbowlhaircut "What kind of evidence would be enough for you to believe that they were true?"
It is a good question.
What if I told you that the pink invisible unicorn showed up and performed a miracle just for me. Would you believe it or would you assume I was lying? I could go on to say 'you can't disprove it, therefore it is true.'
So, I think that the answer to your question floats somewhere around: accounts of miracles need to stop looking just like lies do.
smsavage32 3 months ago
@punchbowlhaircut "Isn't the phrase from Peewee "I know you are but what am I"?"
I think it is from the third grade. SO... yeah... peewee probably used it.
smsavage32 3 months ago
@smsavage32 Ok, I'm finally back. Bones is a good show :) I don't think I ever meant to argue that you were saying because you can't disprove the miraculous stories in the OT that they are true. If I did, sorry about that. You seem skeptical of the fact that Christians have evidence that such things can be true, but my question to you is, "What kind of evidence would be enough for you to believe that they were true?"
punchbowlhaircut 3 months ago
@smsavage32 bah. I had more to my argument but I guess the second post I made didn't go through. I'll get back to you tomorrow. Right now I really want to watch Bones. I can't stop watching!
punchbowlhaircut 3 months ago
@punchbowlhaircut "simply saying that you can't disprove something is a poor argument"
Glad to see that you can see this.
"I believe you were the first one to make that argument"
Did you seriously just defending yourself by using the old run-to-mother ploy of: "But, HE did it..."
Okay, I will play along.
"You rhetorically pointed out some events in the Bible"
And HOW did you get the idea that I was saying: You cannot "disprove" them, therefore they are true!"?
smsavage32 3 months ago
@smsavage32 that are supernatural as if to say that one cannot disprove that they are false. You provided as much evidence for their non-existence as I did for their existence. Its the point Greg was making in this video.
punchbowlhaircut 3 months ago
@smsavage32
I guess you could say that if you ignore the other things I mentioned that gives credence to the validity and the trustworthiness of the Bible. But you never answered my question "What would it take to provide enough evidence for you to prove that those things happened?" I agree that simply saying that you can't disprove something is a poor argument, but I believe you were the first one to make that argument. You rhetorically pointed out some events in the Bible
punchbowlhaircut 3 months ago
@punchbowlhaircut "Elijah went to heaven on a chariot, Lot's wife turned to a pillar of salt? Can you disprove such things happened?"
And now we get to the lowest bar of christian evidence - "you can't prove it's not true."
So you cannot prove that Zeus doesn't exits. Do you believe in him?
You can't prove the Isis isn't the one true God. Do you believe in her?
So, using that ridiculously low bar of evidence, every god is real.
Or.... perhaps ....
That logic just doesn't work.
smsavage32 3 months ago
Isn't the phrase from Peewee "I know you are but what am I"?
punchbowlhaircut 3 months ago