(LSD) RE: Stan Grof at Esalen

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[kaqs8994]

...so just be careful and after you finish with the throwing up perhaps your paradigm will shift. hi there heart heart-kath

[patternsinchaos]

@kaqs8994 "throwing up" Kathryn?

[kaqs8994]

Respond to this video... another thought, if a person is in their right mind and they decide that they want "gifts" to enhance their thinking, or if they see it as helping to gain clarity to their lives, then so be it. the plants that grow in tandem with our lives on this planet at this time may be used to benefit. the vomiting part is just to massively and instantly cleanse the body, preparing it for higher energy vibrations. i am not arguing with you J.

[patternsinchaos]

@kaqs8994 I was simply trying to understand the comment, K. Thanks for your input! :-)

[kaqs8994]

@patternsinchaos laughinggggggggggggg, yes throwing up my arms with hands flailing about

[kaqs8994]

@patternsinchaos .....some drugs, if not given in very small amounts, make one vomit as prerequisite to the insight they gain. i just like throwing up instead for etiquette purposes here in comments section.

[Loreleila]

@cosabio Well said, and you're welcome. :)

[cosabio]

@Loreleila Outside. LOL Yes. Indeed. :-) I could go on and on about this. And as I mentioned. I'm not an advocate of laws to procure control on these sorts of things. That has caused an even more reprehensible situation here in the US where independent experimenters and government agencies alike commit even more heinous acts in the interest of exploring this territory. Personally, I believe it should be socially policed. That means we have to educate others. Thanks for chiming in on this!

[Loreleila]

@patternsinchaos Indeed. They can't. In a way the professional encouraging such is to me an abuse of power. When people come for pyschotherapy they, by the very nature of the process, make themselves vulnerable, and it's the responsibility of the therapist to ensure that is not abused. To suggest such a risky strategy is going to be an abuse, even if unwitting or unintended, at least some of the time. On the other hand making a personal choice to take that risk outside that is another matter.

[patternsinchaos]

@Loreleila Also. I think the biggest issue with this is that there doesn't seem to be any reliable way to achieve informed consent. Since the effects are so intense and diverse, how can someone really know what they are getting?