Derek May and Martin Merriman re: Visiting the Governing Body

John May (Derek's brother) and Martin Merriman were elders in Jehovah's Witnesses in Ireland. When they heard of the expulsion of Raymond Franz, high-level member of their elite Governing Body, in 1979, they flew out to ask the Governing Body, "Why?" Governing Body member Lyman Swingle sarcastically snubs them.

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[freeminds]

My apology, it was taped at Peter Gregerson's in Gadsden, Alabama in 1982 by Fred Gholson, joined with his beautiful wife. 

[greatgatsb9o921o]

@TNMtnBob In view of the foregoing... if then 586/587 BCE date is correct, and the "70 years" were a figurative "70 years" and not literal, then it truly is the death knell for the 1914 date... indeed we are most to be pitied among men

[greatgatsb9o921o]

@TNMtnBob the plot thickens. Jeremiah 25:8-17, 22, 27 make it clear that Tyre and a host of other nations, "will have to serve the king of Babylon 70 years." Yet your own ISAIAH PROPHECY BOOK (ip-1 p. 253 par 1) states: "Tyre is not subject to Babylon for a full 70 years." Therefore, if it is possible then that Watchtower can pick & choose what is a literal "70 years" and what is a figurative "70 years", then it is possible for both the 586/587 BCE date & the "70 years" to both be true

[greatgatsb9o921o]

@TNMtnBob friend thank you for responding. Open any secular encyclopedia or archaeological text & you will find Jerusalem's destruction in 586/587 BCE. The question now is if the "70 years" are literal or figurative. I say this because eventhough Isaiah 23:15a states: "Tyre must be forgotten 70 years" your own ISAIAH PROPHECY BOOK (ip-1 p. 253 par. 1) makes the "70 years" figurative. It says: "Tyre is not subject to Babylon for a full 70 years." since when can we pick & choose?

[TNMtnBob]

@greatgatsb9o921o

That Jehovah has been the accepted English translation of God’s name for hundreds of years is well documented in the KJV, many other Bible versions, literature, etc. NO ONE claims Jehovah is the lost Hebrew pronunciation.

Every secular source DOES support 537 BCE as the year the 70-year Jewish exile in Babylon. If 70 years ended in 537 BCE, they began in 607 BCE. - Jer 29:10, Dan 9:1-2, 2 Chron 36:20-21

Josephus supports the Bible's 70-year time frame.

[OriginalJoseyWales]

so what has happened to these guys now ? Are they still out ? What are they doing now ?

[OriginalJoseyWales]

@TNMtnBob while you are in the congreagtion of christ it in no way absolves you of your own responsibility for your own actions and beliefs because when all is said and done you will account for your actions. If you follow policy/doctrine and it is changed it was your choice.

[OriginalJoseyWales]

haven't seen all of it but enjoying this vid. I may or may not agree with what is said but i just thought if the society had its way no witness woud be able to view this almost makes me glad they don't run wider society.

[greatgatsb9o921o]

@TNMtnBob compelling logic... except that there is no proof God's name is Jehovah. No human knows the pronunciation of YHWH. Also the appointment of the Governing Body only works if Jerusalem was destroyed in 607 B.C.E. Where did they get this year from? NO SECULAR SOURCE HAS EVER SUPPORTED THE 607 BCE DATE!!!! However, watchtower may have merged the Charles Taze Russell Egyptian pyramid date of 1914, somehow with bible prophecy... they then counted backwards to make 607 BCE fit & cement contol

[madeup6]

Thank you so much for posting this! I watched every last minute of it and learned so much. 

[TNMtnBob]

@Karaokephile

Ezek 34:11,16 ...Jehovah has said: “...I MYSELF,... will search for my sheep.... The lost one...and the dispersed one I shall bring back.”

Does it HIMSELF. How?

John 10:16 I have other sheep...they will listen to MY voice, and they will become one flock.

By CHRIST’s voice. How?

Rom 10:14-15 How...will they put faith in him of whom they have not heard? How...will they hear without someone to preach? How...will THEY preach unless they have been sent forth?

And who sends them?

(cont)