John Allegro Vrs. Gordon Wasson

Two of the most influential people in the field of mushrooms and mankind, yet they fought over an early Christian Fresco, and it is up to youtube to decide... Which mycologist is the Douche Bag!

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Education

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• soma
• amanita
• psilocybin
• mushroom
• mycology
• religion
• Christian
• Fresco
• Tree
• Knowledge
• Good
• Evil
• maria
• sabina

[UNIONWARE]

There is no need to chop up Gordon Wasson like this. He actually devoted the rest of his life to studying psilocybin mushrooms. He promoted thier widespread use before they were illegal. He has gone as far as to co-wright books with Albert Hoffman. He was the first white man to discover the effects of psilocybin and report them to the new world. His Time Mag article stirred the intrest of Harverd psychologists. If you are true to Mushroom culture, you would give this guy some more credit.

[mushroomjesus]

You're right... but because of him, the psilocybin mushroom isn't connected to Christianity--he could have done it, but he thought the mushroom that grew out of cow manure was "unclean" and being a Protestant in the church, he really didn't want to get a bad rep. and when Allegro came out with his book, Wasson tried to discredit Allegro... I got this info talking to Jan Irvin who wrote "Astrotheology and Shamanism"... the focus is on the Amanita, not the psilocybin thanks to Wasson

[salvinorinman]

Its both and more. Revelation 8 is all about the entheogen "messengers" which is mistranslated as "angels". Its all metaphors.

Aramaic John 6:51

lechem ayn d'an athel pgri hu d'ol aphy cheyuhi d'olam yev an "(Food) (that) (which I) (give) (my body), (is) (for the sake) (the life) (of the world) (give) (I)."

[mushroomjesus]

Did you get that out of "The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross"? Tell us about the Aramaic "Midbar" which was translated as "Wilderness" but it really means "Cow Pasture"... Jan Irvin said it on a talk show... clarify please.

[CosmosPrivateer]

I learn something new every day at YouTube University.

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[Koolvedge]

Yes, the Amanita. I also do believe that the psylocybins are teacher plants, as is peyote, ayauhasca, and many others. These natural things let us see the truth.

[Hesrobedinmajesty]

Allegro denounced his faith upon recieving this revelation...

[nushka1313]

John Allegro was training for the Methodist Ministry. So YES he was a Christian.

[christiantaoist]

By the way, Wasson on pgs.74-77 in Persephones Quest states he disagrees with previous statements he had made regarding the mushroom being in the Bible and admits he believes it is the fruit in the garden. I don't understand how this relates to amanita being manna. This doesn't equate with scripture and that alone would be reason enough to remove Allegro from the translating committee. The forbidden fruit of the garden is offered as Manna in the wilderness? How does this equate?

[christiantaoist]

It comes about by the gradual schematization of the impressionistically rendered Italian pine tree in Roman and Early Christian painting, and there are hundreds of instances exemplifying this development-unknown of course to mycologists...What mycologists have overlooked is that the mediæval artists hardly ever worked from nature but from classical prototypes which in the course of repeated copying became quite unrecognizable." This was no opinion of Wassons he simply quoted an authority.

[christiantaoist]

Here is the quote from art historian Erwin Panofsky regarding the fresco in question"...the plant in the fresco has nothing whatever to do with mushrooms...and the similarity with amanita muscaria is purely fortuitous. The Plaincourault fresco is only one example-and, since the style is provincial, a particularly deceptive one-of a conventionalized tree type, prevalent in Romanesque and early Gothic art, which art historians actually refer to as a 'mushroom tree' or in German, Pilzbaum...CONT

[christiantaoist]

@mushroomjesus midbar is found some 250 times in the scriptures. The Theological Wordbook of the Old Testament says it is used to describe 3 types of country in general; pastureland, uninhabited land, & large areas of land in which oases or cities and towns exist here and there. The wilderness is often described negatively as without grapes, fountains, pools of water, rivers, pleasant places see Ps 78:19 Can God furnish a table in the wilderness? The hebrews herded sheep not cattle. Jans wrong.

[Hashishin13]

I think jesus himself was a representation of Amanitas, but I also think that he was a character in a mushroom cult that uses both of them. I think that cult was arounf before Jesus, probably Moses too. I think that if there is anything visible left of this cult it is either hidden in Catholicism or it is the Masons. The Masons are obsessed with red-blue, everywhere you look in our society the dicotomy is between red and blue.

Red-boldness, courage(like an amanita)

Blue-justice, reason(psilo)

[DecentralizedByGuilt]

@kubark123 Tottally. :)

[DecentralizedByGuilt]

@alchemistoxford what you have just said proves that you don't know anything about the topic, the argument between the two. Making you, also a douchebag. Douchebag.

[alchemistoxford]

There are so many fundamental errors in this presentation that it is perfectly useless.