ROUND PENNING A STALLION

Neither one of us were very impressed with NH 'round pen work.'

We both think it's a lot more fun without the 'round pen'!

Why anyone would use it is difficult to believe, (especially when it is so counterproductive to any true 'partnership' between a horse and a human).

Why create stress for no reason?

Category:

Pets & Animals

Tags:

• horse
• horse training
• nature
• natural
• natural horsemanship
• horse intimacy
• interspecies relationship
• peer attachment

[BaberLynn]

I seek to offer something more than a peer relationship with my horses, in which case we are in agreement. Nature does not exist on an everyone-is-equal basis. But then, perhaps we are closer to the same path than we might imagine.

Blessings.

[HeartofEquus]

@BaberLynn

If you study any of the world's leading equine ethologists, will find that the equine Peer Attachment relationship, (affiliated pairing, nonsexual bonding, pair bond, mutually beneficial coalitions or preferred associates) has nothing to do with what you refer to as a 'peer relationship.'

And everything to do with the deepest possible levels of bonded Intimacy.

[BaberLynn]

By 'realtionship' I mean that I am the herd leader, a concept horses understand from birth. My horses look to me for guidance. If I am not fearful, neither are they - and my horses have never seen me fearful. My clinics always begin at liberty, and when the relationship is correct it doesn't matter where we are. I don't teach tricks or conditioned responses. As a worthy leader I do teach self-confidence and boldness.

[HeartofEquus]

@BaberLynn

'Herd Leader' equates to the 'Alpha theory,' which is completely counterproductive to any true interspecies bonding between horse and human.

It also symbolizes the normal hierarchal which is an adversarial relationship that uses pressure, discomfort and physical punishment.

I prefer the Peer Attachment relationship.

And your conception of 'at liberty' and mine are completely different, (unless you hold your 'clinics' in a large 5 to 100 acre pasture).

[BaberLynn]

Whatever made you think I used punishment as a training tool? Certainly not. My training method is to remove fear by building faith in a worthy leader. The horses I train trust me, and with good reason. Everything I promise I deliver - safety, consistency, and affection. Correction is used to "make perfect", not to punish.

Perhaps I did not make myself clear. I believe coercion (force) is a lose-lose game.

Lynn

[HeartofEquus]

@BaberLynn " Perhaps I did not make myself clear. I believe coercion (force) is a lose-lose game."

That is good to hear Lynn. SIncerely, very good.

And Relationship IS 100%. But that 'right relationship' is where it appears we differ. If your 'intent' is a true interspecies bond, then the word 'leader' would never surface. And if your 'training' is done in an open pasture with no whips or 'gadgets,' then we may possibly have something in common.

naturalhorse101 at aol.com

[Marixxen2]

true, true, true! Join-up, or round-pen trening doesn't do a thing good for a friendly relationship. It's just about dominating and forcing the horse, which in my eyes, isn't a good thing.

[123456789mischief]

well you can't argue with results. so weather I like the system or not he obviously does not abuse his horse and he is getting excelent response from this horse. I would like to see one of the horse being ridden on trails and such.

I'm willing to borrow from any system if I see something that works.

[HeartofEquus]

@BaberLynn" I believe right relationship is based on leadership."

Though I abhor flying, I was invitational guest speaker at an EAL/ Corporate Leadership organization this past weekend.

One of the things I tried to impress upon the audience is that if they had any desire to share a truly bonded, intimate relationship with their horse, they must eliminate two words from their vocabulary: Leader and Training.

[HeartofEquus]

@BaberLynn "While I don't link training to food rewards,"

If you don't, then there is a huge gap in your 'training.' The effects of Positive Reinforcement are longer lasting than punishment.

"I freely concede that there's no one way to do anything."

Correct, but only as far as 'training' goes.

But then our present day forms of 'training' are completely counterproductive to any true 'oneness' a horse and a human can share.