gary chaffee "5-7-4 / 5-4-7" patterns

this is an exercise from gary chafee method

these are sequence of 5,7 and 4 notes pattern playied as quads. 5+7+4 = 16 notes (4 group of QUADS in the 4/4 BAR )

read to undestand the PATTERNS

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[joesfph]

could someone explain to me what the D T U T T stuff in gary chaffee's stickings is supposed to mean???

[giosmrbig]

yes its the MOELLER TECHNIQUE, to be onest i've never learned MOELLER, i know its great but i just not able to do it... maybe some day... who knows...

[ChadwickSesame]

Sorry for the lack of clarity on my part. But I'm going to go try all those things you mentioned. I use powerstroke 3 clear and coated. I have to switch them so the clear is on the batter side, I feel like that may help but over all I think I have to find the right tension.

[giosmrbig]

if you want, you can use TAMA TENSION WATCH to see how tight is the DRUMHEAD.

i suggest you to NOT , tight too much your instrument.

try to use the same tension on BOTH sides.

you can also use a MUFFLE with the REMO EMPEROR it sound pretty good.

let me know ok ?

bye

[ChadwickSesame]

Great video man, thanks a ton. Hey I had a quick question I was hoping you could answer since you're obviously very experienced. My question has to do with bass pedal technique.

When I use the heel up style of "burying" the pedal in the head(Jeff Porcaro style) the beater vibrates against the head and makes an awful choked vibration sound. I don't hear that on anyone else who uses this technique. Is there a way to lessen the effect of that? Thanks!

[giosmrbig]

i dont undestand very well what are you trying to say... any way.. first of all what kind of DRUM HEAD do you use ?

i suggest you the new REMO POWER SONIC, i think this is the best for your problem.

or you can use POWER STROKE drum head.

try to set you pedal in a way that does not make that sound, and try to tune the BASS DRUM in the best way you can ok ?

bye

joseph

[CaptainDozak]

@joesfph In the moeller technique it has to do with the type of stroke you are using in your hand. D=down stroke T=tap U=up stroke. Down stroke stick starts high ends low, tap stroke stick starts low and ends low, up stroke stick starts low and ends high. Last one that is not mentioned is full F= stick starts high and ends high. Hope this helps.

[dnivdyn]

@PositivelyBored First, a tap then you lift your stick up : this is roughly what my teacher told me, but I had doubts concerning the way your hand and fingers are involved... You were right about the rebound, but I gave up squeezing my sticks on my drumheads for such a long time that I forgot this detail.

Thanks for answering, anyway.

[PositivelyBored]

@dnivdyn

Sorry, I gave you bad advice.

The upstroke is several motions. Part 1: a tap ( you can choose technique), followed by a quick finger grab, then loosening of the fulcrum back to relaxed.- Part 2: lifting of your arm like you are shaking off a towel or blanket. LIft your arm up (very relaxed) and the stick, from the tap, will allow the arm to be in a natural position for the next full-volume stroke.

This is from a lesson I had a couple hours ago, I asked directly

[angelgroover]

@joesfph

DTUTT means D- downstroke; T - tap U - upstroke etc...F- fullstroke, it's just to help you get correct form and stick placement during an exercise, eventually it becomes second nature and you don't have to think about it.

[PositivelyBored]

@dnivdyn

what I learned is apply pressure down/push slightly and turn wrist with the "doorknob" motion. allow the stick to naturally come backwards. Then it is all fingers and hand to catch the stick, depending upon the volume of the next note.

The key for me was mastering the full stroke. Once you get the feeling your hand is being left down (and relaxed) while stick is up 90 degrees on rebound, minimal lifting, all of the other motions seem to come naturally.



[dnivdyn]

@PositivelyBored Does the upstroke rely on the bounce only - and your hand just follows the upward movement - or is your hand more active and lifts the stick up ?

[PositivelyBored]

@dnivdyn

Incorrect. You said "Upstroke (hit the head and raise your stick up, don't make it rebound" the upstroke is intended to start low and end higher than the previous stroke began....the exact specifics are all dependent on what dynamics you are playing in, but the upstroke is intended for increasing volume so you DO want to make it rebound.

Hope this helps.

[PositivelyBored]

@bteniswood

Mostly correct, but I would like to add that by Garys definition, an upstroke is a stroke that starts from low position and ends high, in preperation for f / ff.  You said it is started anywhere, which is "possible" but by Garys coursework, the U does indicate starting from low position.