Richard Dawkins interviews Rabbi Tamara Kolton - Part 2
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I like her.
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@Prunesqualer agreed, but it should be possible to have pride in your tribe but also respect for other tribes. i think the big problem and probably the definition of tribalism is the idea of us and them, and the implication that us (or we) are better than those people (them). Perhaps tribes will become more and more inclusive to the point that it doesn't exist anymore on this planet... perhaps proof of alien life will fuel this change...
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@STRUTTER777U Tribalism!? Sooner or later we should question it, surely - if we are to progress beyond our current sad condition. It is an attractive stratergy. It has a price. It's attractions and prices have been played out for millions of years. Let's talk about it.
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@Prunesqualer Not all Jews support what the Arab Palestinians have done to the Jews.
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Her question "Do you practise any religion?" implies that she has no knowledge or interest in who he is or what he is about, or that she is stupid.
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@TheMassiveToe Most of your points are fair (eg not all Jews support what Israel has done to the Palestinians). However it seems to me that there are traditions/memes in Jewish culture which strengthen/reinforce existing human tendencies toward us and them tribalism. These type of memes (which are of course present in many other cultures) have an impact in the wider world. I think such matters deserve mention and consideration.
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It's too bad that the world isn't filled with logical people like these two. I honestly was reminded of the conversations that I have with my own friends. We bring concerns to each other, and proceed to humbly enlighten the other. And I do feel bad for Professor Dawkins since he has to deal with morons most of the time.
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@Prunesqualer The Palestinians have nothing to do with these matters. There is Judaism and there is Israel, and these are not the same.
Jews existed even when there was no Jewish state, so we can be Jewish without reffering to Israel or the Palesitnian conflict.
Jews don't define themselves by being "Anti-Palestinians" (We are not anti-Palestinians, in fact), so we don't have to mention them all the time.
There is more to Judaism than just a political conflict occuring in a specific location.
3.24 "But I'm still a scientist."
Pause.
"Yes......" He doesn't seen all that convinced.
Smithpolly 1 month ago 9
@klhcc she never said that she thinks that jews are the chosen people, she simply upholds judaistic tradition in her household and community, which is a quite noble thing to do. And if she chooses to not use electricity during sabbath, so what? It is her choice. Fact of the matter remains that she does not impose the torah and its falsehood upon her kids, or others. I see absolutely nothing wrong with her way of life/thinking, and I think your just trying to find a reason to criticize her
killerinstinct1337 1 month ago 4