Saccharine Trust - ''We Don't Need Freedom''

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[mrfilmnoir68]

I bought this album based on the song A HUMAN CERTAINTY that i discovered on THE BLASTING CONCEPT compliation album years ago. These guys were WAY before thier time in my opinion! Very artistic, philosopical band. What ever became of them?

[fakeis751]

@mrfilmnoir68 They're still active! Their style has changed a lot though, so don't expect the same sound. And yeah, this record is great. It's artistic punk WITHOUT losing the level of agression. I love it

[idontwantfreedom]

it is a way to sum up arguments made by the ruling class against anarchy and self-managed societies.

it might also address to anarchists (or so-called anarchists) , warning them that to have a free society with no written laws or rules , it will take self discipline , care and respect ...thats not just chaos and dog eat dog ...

real freedom is a complex thing .... if youre not up to it , you might be happier as a slave.

[fakeis751]

@idontwantfreedom I figured out it'd be about something like that. This song should be played to so many people these days.

[thegoatnazi]

Thanks for these posts Brah.

[fakeis751]

@thegoatnazi Yer welcome, dude.

[cubistblues]

to quote a much better known band from the same era:"Freedom *from* choice is what you want". Folks, look at the context.. It's 1981, four years after the Sex Pistols released Anarchy in the UK and you're surrounded by punk bands espousing "anarchy" with Circle-A symbols plastered everywhere, what could be more punk than rejecting anarchy? (or the by-then mindless definition of it). It's reactionary *and* it's poetic. As close as they ever came to addressing the "scene", albeit in an obtuse way

[804safety]

@idontwantfreedom finally someone who knows what thier talking about ,thank you....cheers from canada...(A)///(E)

[idontwantfreedom]

btw @fakeis751 , just putting the last part of what i wrote is a bit confusing ... as it is saying more about the self-critic than the main theme ... but no harm done , nobody listen to that anyway ( speaking of wich , thanks for posting that song ... as you said , it should be played more often , specially nowdays ...)

[idontwantfreedom]

i agree , it's a punk song isen't it ? but what i meant is that it isen't just partisan's talk , it contains self-critiscism ... there also that bit "we don't need actors , rockstars" , as for media(ie rulers) there suppose to represent freedom .... thats a lie still in use, representation of freedom is no freedom ... they act , fake freedom, and live the ideal representation so you don't need to live it yourself ... (but thats a guy sitting behind his screen telling you that , haha)

[DilbertHernandez]

"i think he's expressing the point of view of a cynical ruler", yes, but as criticism of such rulers like those who control the country. could be interpreted partly as a criticism of anarchists, but saying "we only want farmers and soldiers" i can see that as something someone who may limit freedom (i.e. oppressive ruler) would say due to anarchists' view of freedom usually being pacifistic. its more of a criticism of people who wish for no freedom than those who wish for complete freedom, IMO