Why is there order in the universe?

In which I endorse Urban Elf's answer to the question of why there is something rather than nothing, and so veritas doesn't feel cheated, I give an answer to another question he might be thinking about "why is there order rather than chaos in the universe"

Category:

Comedy

Tags:

• craig
• mooreland
• kolmogorov
• complexity
• jesus
• randy
• helzerman
• hume
• entropy
• kalam
• argument
• apologetics

[hadtohappen]

So I suppose your definition of non random is "homogeneous". But for example, a bunch of particles in their lowest energy state would be homogeneous and HIGH ENTROPY. Where as biological structures are very much heterogenous in their structure and surely of LOW ENTROPY. (We burn real good). I think the modeling of HIGH ENTROPY as a Heterogeneous array is not valid. In fact, it seems quite backwards. In other words. I am charging you with an "equivocation" of the meaning of the word ORDERED.

[randyhelzerman]

Hi hadtohappen, this video uses the word random in the sense of having a high kolmogorov complexity. If you know what that means, you'll know it addresses your concerns, if not, let me know and I'll try to explain further.

[hadtohappen]

An array of all ones is less complex than an array of ones and zeros. I don't see anything in kolmogorv complexity that contradicts this straightforward assessment.

[randyhelzerman]

Ha hadtohappen, its ok if you don't know anything about komogorov complexity dude, it took me about 5 years to master it myself. But going around pretending you know stuff when you don't is a terrible trap, because you lose opportunities to learn.

[Forkroute]

WTF is a disorderly universe anyhow? Is it even a coherent concept?

[randyhelzerman]

@Husthewise Hi Husthewise, I know its a counterintuitive result, but you can actually rigorously prove that in a finite, closed system, if the entire system is at maximum entropy there MUST be subsystems which are not at maximum entropy. If you are seriously interested in understanding why, check out the book "Kolmogorov Complexity" by Li and Vitanyi they have a rigorous proof.

[dabestlyricist]

95% of these people (including me) don't understand 75% of your words because they're too complex. Next time you make a video, it'll help if you use smaller words haha.

[revo1974]

@randyhelzerman

There will parts more random than the whole object as well.

The Universe exhibits a very high degree of order, structure, harmony and regularity. These attributes are better explained by design than chance. It all boils down to what you favor more, design or a multiverse. In my opinion design is the more simple and elegant answer. With this said anyone who claims to know anything about the designer(s) is full of it.

[randyhelzerman]

@revo1974 The claim is that any sufficiently large object will have parts which are less random than the whole object. If that claim is true, them the universe, being very large, must have large parts which are nonrandom.

[revo1974]

@randyhelzerman

...b. Why are you using only two digits, 0's and 1's? Why digits at all? Why not just have all sorts of different characters, shapes, designs and scibble?

That graphh is an extremely poor example of what true randomness, disorder and chaos is.

[revo1974]

@randyhelzerman

Your "random array of bits" graph is a very, very poor example of randomness. Allthough the digits in your graph are randomly generated, immense order is evident.

a. Notice that yor have exactly 11 lines and 11 columns of digits. Why? How is this random? Why aren't the numbers just scattered all over the screen in a "true" random fashion, as childrens buildings blocks may be scattered all over the floor of a room.

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[C0C0nutFace]

Is there indeed order in the universe? I would say the universe seems more disordered than ordered, but we might be defining 'ordered' diferently.

[Hawkace009]

At what point do we consider ourselves a result of order in the universe? just playing devils advocate here...

[Shredcheddar]

Interesting points you bring up, but I don't agree with your reasoning. Meaning, Kolmogorov complexity and information entropy (some measure of randomness) is not the same as thermodynamic entropy.

I believe you know all about Kolmogorov complexity. And I've read a bit of Chaitin and am continuing to improve my knowledge of it.

But the point is that Information Entropy != Thermodynamic Entropy. They're nice to analogize, but that is it. This is my belief. Do you have proof to the contrary? :)