Jars of Clay - Silence

Sad music video to Silence by Jars of Clay

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[vectormanic]

I like Jars of Clay based on the merits of their music, independent of what inspires them to compose and play it.

[VideoKiwi2008]

such a powerful song. theres always someone who is crying out "where are you?" sometimes it seems that God can be so far away.

[alecsysfisher]

@MeTolerateYou I am not going to argue, but I have to say that believing in God allows me to make sense of my life. It doesn't matter if you think objectively about God, He exists whether you believe or not. I hope that one day you will know Him.

[MeTolerateYou]

@MeTolerateYou By doing this you are making statements that go way beyond what any evidence tells you.

So in response "The difference between you and me is that I " don't believe I am the absolute authority on truth. My personal feelings on the matter are irrelevant to what the truth actually is. Therefore what I am not prepared to do is to make a massive jump to assume that God does or does not exist on the basis that I understand a mechanism.

[MeTolerateYou]

@N3CR1S Firstly of all, that's a presumption that I don't understand. You only say that because of preconceptions you have about people in my position, mainly believers in God.

You also seem to think because you can understand a mechanism that there for means there is no purpose for it.

I recently saw a video by OK Go, in which a long chain reaction of events governed by the laws of physics, the end result being a beautiful video. The existence of a mechanism does mean it has no purpose.

[N3CR1S]

@MeTolerateYou The difference between you and me is that i understand the processes that formed our universe, and i work with the process that shapes the life on our planet. We therefore see different thing while looking at the "grains of salt". I see them landing randomly but goverened by rules. You dont know why they landed as they did, and therefore obsess about the fact that they happened to land as they did.

[MeTolerateYou]

@N3CR1S It's perfectly possible to through grains of salt in the air and have any number of positions happen. However if they all landed in such a way that it spelt out your name address and telephone number you would be rational to think there was something else going on.

You are right though if you're suggesting we don't need to prove our world's probability because it is actual. That's true, but given how unlikely it is, it is rational to think it was designed even if it isn't.

[N3CR1S]

@MeTolerateYou It wasnt a strawman, the salt example was perfectly valid in that it highlights the flaws one makes when looking upon the outcome of something and claim that it is impossible.

[itech46]

God let 6 million of His own "chosen" people be exterminated in the Holocaust. What chance do you think we have.

[MeTolerateYou]

@MeTolerateYou 2

The difference in our examples is we are at different points in the timeline.

What's key to my example over your salt example is that the end is result is functional. As that is a true representation of what we observe now.

To say this happened by design is a more rational conclusion looking at our world. As Dawkins constantly admits "it certainly seems designed" but then also says thats irrational.

What is wrong with looking at a portrait and concluding there is a painter?