Bakunin refutes capitalist "individualist freedom"

Anarchism

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[veritasunleashed]

Individualist Anarchism is not the same as Anarcho-Capitalism.

[aqueenowlbee]

@SuperOldschool1969 "another word for socialism; revenge." - aqueenowlbee

[LordShandor]

@SSTTEEAALLTTHH Because two people cannot build a house in the same place, nor occupy the same space.

Wrong again, government makes a claim on the body of its citizens all the time by telling them what they can do (prostitution), what they can eat (drugs) and what they can say (speech). It also controls labor through taxes.

And still wrong, most people DO NOT own land and yet they survive just fine. Where do you get these silly ideas?

[LordShandor]

@SSTTEEAALLTTHH Nonsense, there is more land than there are people.

[SSTTEEAALLTTHH]

@LordShandor

Land is the most basic of things you need to survive. It gives you living space, provides you with food and water. Owning land is owning someone else's body.

[SSTTEEAALLTTHH]

@LordShandor

Those are not philosophical bases of legitimacy, they are pragmatical reasons. There are pragmatical reasons for a lot of things that have no legitimacy (such as the government). I ask you to show me the legitimacy of owning land.

Comparing land to your body is ridiculous since no else can make a claim to live of your body (unless you are a cannibal). In fact, by owning land, you do own the life of other people, since they can only survive with land.

[LordShandor]

@SSTTEEAALLTTHH If you aren't committing treason in this time frame, you aren't for liberty.

[LordShandor]

@SSTTEEAALLTTHH For the same reason that other people do not have the right to use your body as they wish, because 1) resources are scarce and therefore will be contested as to their desired use, 2) without property rights, there is no way of deciding who gets to eat the banana or wear that pair of socks.100 people cannot.

Your reasoning results in absurdity, i.e. "what right do you have deny others access to having sex with you whenever they wish?"

[LordShandor]

@aqueenowlbee you mean jealousy

[SSTTEEAALLTTHH]

@LordShandor

Theft as in deprivation. I ask you:

What give you the right to own land, aka, to deny others access to land and resources?

[SSTTEEAALLTTHH]

@303Miles

Proudhon joined the state. That would be treason to an anarchist who is proclaiming 'fuck the state'. Fuck Proudhon. Bakunin kicks his ass.

My favorite philosophical anarchist though, way before the term even existed, was Rousseau. He argued for some state in certain cases, but recognized the illegitimacy of the State, property rights etc. Also the most quotable character ever.

[LordShandor]

@SSTTEEAALLTTHH That's incredibly stupid. Based on what you just said there is no such thing as property and therefore no such thing as theft. You are incoherent as hell.