Sun Tzu The Art Of War 4/10

Scholars have expressed doubt in Sun Tzu's historicity and the traditional dating of The Art of War. The skepticism is fueled by factors that include historical inaccuracies and anachronisms in the text, as well as the unlikelihood of the execution of the king's favorite concubines. Increasing skepticism, which sometimes cause scholars to completely deny the existence of a historical figure named Sun Wu (Sun Tzu), has led to acrimonious debate between skeptics and traditionalists, especially in China. Attribution of The Art of War's authorship varies among scholars, and have included people and movements including Sun; Chu scholar Wu Zixu; an unknown author; a school of thought in Qi or Wu; Sun Bin, and others.[9]

Traditionalists attribute the authorship of The Art of War to the historical figure Sun Wu, who is chronicled in the Records of the Grand Historian and the Spring and Autumn Annals. He was reputedly active in the late 6th century BC, beginning c. 512 BC. The appearance of features from The Art of War in other historical texts is considered to be proof of his historicity and authorship. Certain strategic concepts, such as terrain classification, are attributed to Sun Tzu. Their use in other works, such as by the compilers of The Methods of the Sima, is considered proof of Sun Tzu's historical priority.[10]

Scholars that identify issues with the traditionalist view point to anachronisms in The Art of War that include terms, technology, philosophical ideas, events, and military techniques. There is a disparity between the large scale wars and sophisticated techniques detailed in the text, and the more primitive small scale battles that predominated the 6th century BC. There is also a lack of early contemporary evidence supporting the centuries-later accounts of Sun. For example, there is no corroborating support for his role in the wars between Wu and Yue in the Zuo Zhuan, which is considered the authoritative record of the period.[10] Regardless of Sun Tzu's historicity and the actual authorship of The Art of War, the figure of Sun Tzu and his traditionally attributed work have been influential

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[defiantwon33]

everytime the narrator says, "sun tzu predicted...." it makes me fucking cringe.

[DuykRuyk]

@defiantwon33 Same. I hate how all the history channels stuff nowadays is about predicting the end of the world and crap like that.

[defiantwon33]

@YJM1991

i also don't think you've fully comprehended what i said re: logic and common sense. reread it if you like. or not.

[defiantwon33]

@YJM1991

definitely. probe him. find his weaknesses and how he'll react.

[YJM1991]

@defiantwon33 common sense of course. the person shouldn't piss at electrical fence if he has never done it before. common sense? logic will say electricity travel up the piss. common sense is do you know what you are doing? and of course sun tzu support common sense. dont do things you don't know. dont engage enemy you dont know.

[scottyi88]

thnk you hippies for makin the us lose the war wat a great contribution

[DrTruthiness]

@DrTruthiness Also, Jesus is the anti-Christ.

[DrTruthiness]

I ate asian food once. It had art of war in my stomach.

[SilverMalthusian]

No need to be so judgmental. The older I get, the more I realise how much I do not know. I like the "end of the world" stuff because it opens your mind to possibilities, some probable, some possible, some improbable & others extremely improbable, however, the point is we are learning & thinking. I also believe that the "sun tzu predicted" statements is just poor use of language. I believe the narrator means that this is what sun tzu would of done & have been confident in his decision.

[rustyschackleford100]

Yes the Tet Offensive was a surprise, but it was shameful.

[defiantwon33]

hahaha! the largest of the north vietnamese tunnel systems was in a place called 'ku chi'. i wonder if that's where it came from.

[defiantwon33]

@ACX352395

yeah i didn't think you were....but just in case.