Hidden Treasures in the Book of Job

Lecture by Dr. Hugh Ross

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[4inmontreal]

Thanks so much for posting. It's a great lecture.

[KevZen2000]

Hugh Ross is one of my favorite Christian Mythology Apologist.

[brtherjohn]

@Chrilsama OK, well this is the major problem facing biblical scholarship. To treat the texts as apologists would is circular reasoning in the end. (I'll check those refs you gave, thanks....)

So, we'll have to agree to disagree on remedying linguistic and historical issues. Getting back to Dr. Ross' talk though, it seems that he's is prescribing specific connotations to some of Job's imagery in the texts. That is not advisable. I agree with Masterwok7's original comment completely.

[wellyshelly]

Awesome!

[Chrilsama]

@brtherjohn The alternative is to treat the Bible as what it is: the Word of God. For refutation of th DC check U. Cassuto, R. Whybray, O.T. Allis etc.

Job has many references to Creation, the Creator etc. Of course not in the language of modern science, but of its time.

I believe "stretching the heaven" refers among others to the expansion of the universe. If you don´t, fine.

Higher cirticism implies: almost everything the Bible says is a lie! But fulfilled prophecy refutes that!

[brtherjohn]

@Chrilsama That is why it is known as the Documentary HYPOTHESIS. There is no hard evidence by definition. No sense in debating the hypothesis's merits here as no scholar disputes this. Even ultraconservative Dallas Theological Seminary can't dispute it. Also, what is the alternative(s) to this or higher criticism in general? None?

Dr. Ross genuinely believes in his ideas and I'm certain he is a good man at heart. But Job is not about offering scientific commentary concerning creation.

[Chrilsama]

@brtherjohn I study Theology and I´m confronted every day with textual criticism. I ask them and I ask you again: Where is hard evidence? I don´t wanna hear theories invented on desks in Europe I want to see actual documents of JEPD. They don´t exist. The Theory is refuted by Umberto Cassuto or Whybray and by the Text its self! There is no Isaiah I and no Deutero Isaiah document!

The Problem of the critics is they do not believe in the supernatural - thats all!

[brtherjohn]

@Chrilsama You're referring the the JEPD hypothesis, which was originally brought forth centuries ago by early Christian scholars by the way. This has led up to today's textual criticism. All credible Christian institutions have such critical peer-reviewed materials on hand too. It just takes a little a little more in depth study to understand this - you know - education.

BTW, Ross' specialty is astrophysics - not religion.  Not by a long shot! This belongs to late-night Coast to Coast!

[Chrilsama]

@brtherjohn What Authors? Show me one Document of E or J or P etc! There is none! These sources are nothing but assumptions of mostly anti Jewish desk criminals of the 17th-19th centuries like Wellhausen who never have been in Israel or had any Idea of Qumran and Archeology!

[brtherjohn]

I can't stand by and listen to Dr. Ross' exceptionally unscholarly take on Job, like Genesis, or any other book). One cannot make specific claims about something that general and symbolic in its origin. Job, like Genesis, was written and edited by many different authors. He loves quoting Job 9:8, where God stretches out the heavens. It's not a scientific event, but a symbolic one and Job is heavy on poetic imagery.