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[clemstevenson]

Hello. My observations regarding religion imply that such unsubstantiated beliefs are based on emotions. In other words, it's what religiously inclined people feel to be the truth. For this reason, it was always likely that such a religiously inclined person would question what atheism might have to offer, as though it were an alternative brand of breakfast cereal. In other words, religion is based on a presupposition that human emotions have an objective reality of their own.

[tombert256]

@clemstevenson That sounded kind of cool, but I think you meant "subjective reality", as it might vary from person to person.

I never really liked the idea of beliefs involving "emotions"....It seems like a big copout to try and get me to not question them.

[clemstevenson]

@tombert256 Hi. When I said 'objective reality' I meant that it had been turned around in the minds of believer from subjectivism to an objective reality. There are simply not enough characters in a single post. The same irrational conversion of subjectivism to objectivism applies in other lines of human enquiry.

[tombert256]

@clemstevenson That's cool. I"m not a philosophy major, as I don't do drugs, so I don't really understand what you are saying.....However, comment appreciated!

[clemstevenson]

@tombert256 How odd! You assume that philosophers do drugs. Just because I'm a Brit doesn't mean that I do drugs. In reality, I don't go beyond cigarettes and coffee (both of which can be considered to be drugs). I am not a philosopher by choice, or by trade. I am 54, and I have had to develop philosophies, in response to mysterious events that I have encountered over the years. One of these philosophies has to do with the variability of human responses to uncommon events.

[tombert256]

@clemstevenson Wasn't aware you were a Brit, but the way you were talking sounded like the way most of my stoner-friends talk.

[hyperion337]

@sooperfukker the idea that there is no objective sense for life is not a belief system at all. It is a non-belief system in that atheists do not believe that the evidence of any religions lead to a logical conclusion that their god(s) exist. Assuming humans are just a more advanced form of life as compared to animals, which i think there is enough evidence, why cant humans live their lives as every other animal does: striving to be the healthiest and happiest possible so to find the best mate?

[calum341]

@tombert256 I don't think you were missing much.. from a guy taking pictures of UFO's in his backyard. ^^

[s0ulofblood]

I really liked what you said. Even though you talk kinda weird :P

[sooperfukker]

The idea that there is no objective sense in/for life, is a subective belief of its own, that's why most people feel that atheism itself is a belief system, even if they cannot put it into words.

This is where atheism fails: Without any objective value or purpose, it cannot explain why itself would be any more relevant to an individual than any other belief. Although it wants itself to be objectively relevant, it cannot declare itself so, because there is no objective relevance. It's a void.

[sooperfukker]

Nothing that comes from your "truth", will make anyone's life any better in any way than it would be without it.

If it was true, that "believers" don't pay enough attention to their actual life (which is false), even by your own standards it wouldn't matter. Without any objective sense, a single person's way of life is objectively irrelevant. With only a subjectively given sense, everyone has to define this sense as much as anyone else does.

Objectively/subjectively, you get the same results.

[sooperfukker]

Well, @tombert256 , you're struggling a lot to explain what atheism has to "offer" and I'm afraid you fail.

If you substract the results of every single aspect of your atheism from most (not all) theistic approaches, you will always get a negative result, meaning:

[Shockwave474]

I also watched "Atheists Offer Nothing," and—not gonna lie—I hate that video. Not only does it debate the atheists, which in my opinion is like punching a hole in the air in that it doesn't actually accomplish anything, but it's extremely rambly and I kept tuning out. That said, what appeals to me the most about atheism is the idea of being one's own boss. I think that sounds really empowering. I'm not an atheist myself, but I find it much more appealing than Christanity.