Atheist's arguments against the existence of God (Alvin Plantinga)

Original video: http://www.closertotruth.com/video-profile/Arguing-God-s-Existence-Alvin-Plan...

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[MrSwofis]

uni buni qo'ying hayitboy aka. meni bedamni qachon o'rib berasiz?

[lxAgnosticxl]

@jb1262

-He didn't decide the argument, he responded to what was givin' to him

-Thats not equivocation, but he was making the obviosly statement that if God exists he has eveled himself enough that most people believe in God.

-No he said "cognitive deficiencies" Do you even know what cognitive means? " He is saying that atheists are mentally handicapped. " Obviously not!

[jb1262]

@lxAgnosticxl

I see now why some people can put so much faith in Plantinga

-He was attacking a positive claim when that isn't the actual argument.

-He is saying that god isn't hidden because most people don't think he is. Either he is making an argument from popular belief, or he is using a different definition of the word "hidden" in order to fit his argument (which is equivocation).

-He is saying that atheists are mentally handicapped and never addresses the question.

[lxAgnosticxl]

@jb1262

- Now that's a straw man! and the analogy in regards to the Q was fine.

- Thats not what equivocation means, he has not equivocatd anything.

- That's not what red herring means.

[jb1262]

@lxAgnosticxl

-If it was an analogy it was a false one. Rational people don't claim absolute knowledge on anything (with a few exceptions), but this is the position Plantinga is attacking.

-So you're saying that it isn't an argument from popular belief, but rather an equivocation fallacy?

-I apologize that I misused quotations. He actually said:"No doubt there are [many ways of revealing himself], but... there are cognitive deficiencies, and I think not believing in god is one of those"

[lxAgnosticxl]

@jb1262

-Plantigna gave an Argument by analogy look it up!!! it's valid.

-QUOTE MINE!!! "Con.... not hidden in the sense no one knows about him or believe in him".

-Bull shit! when did he say that?

again these are not argument therefore not fallacies look up what a fallacy is.

[jb1262]

@lxAgnosticxl

*sighs*

-This was more of a tag team effort. The interviewer presented a paraphrased version of the true argument, and then asked Plantinga a different argument which any rational person would agree is untenable. Plantinga then chose to address the false argument.

-"most people don't think he is hidden, therefore he isn't," prime example of an argument from popularity.

-"No doubt god could reveal himself to us, but atheists are retarded," not a red herring at all...

[lxAgnosticxl]

@jb1262

*Points & laughs*

00:18 many Atheist do use that argument, like Stenger etc.

00:57 That's not an argument!! that only applys if he says most people argee with my premise therefore I''m right.

01:58 he was adressing a question.

05:24 people srill use this argument, it's not his fault there are idiots out there.

You could do with looking up what a fallacy is, they apply only in arguments non of these example were argument.

[jb1262]

I don't see why christians worship this man. I find Plantinga to be a mediocre thinker.

Lets play "spot the logical fallacy"

00:18 straw man

00:57 argument from popularity

01:58 red herring

05:24 another straw man

Now its your turn kids; can you spot the fallacies?

[Thoughtitorium]

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