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My response to LJP's video purporting that JC appears throughout the Hebrew Scriptures.

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  • Thank you for leading your viewers to watch my video - I think i got extra 50 viewer thanks to you.

  • and if i was concerned about that possibility i wouldn't have posted. that you do not comprehend the problem with your "bible study" is expected but regrettable. i don't post for you. i post for others who have an interest in thinking. therefore, i welcome them to also listen to you and if they think your "study" has merit, well and good. that this is your only comment might indicate the taste of sour grapes or are you only interested in how many people look at you?

  • Part 2: Regarding the seeing into messianic claims this has both been made for centuries particularly by the hebrew scholars. There are hundreds of Midrash on messiah on the tanakh by the rabbin alone. So the idea originates in Jewish thinking.

    Angel worship is and has been a focal point in Judaism and xianity , and that hasnt disqualified anyone. The two angels over the ark were Jupiter and Saturn, Revelations speaks of the churches as ANGELS. God makes comment on Israels sacrifice to them

  • When I was preparing this response I could not find any sources for angel worship in Judaism (which I specifically looked for, perhaps not exhaustively, but I did google it and checked various sources). I'd appreciate your sources for this.

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  • completed... The difference is one of accidents and substance - worship is not do to the accidents but to the substance of God. So even though I encounter God in nature I do not fall before nature and worship it - but I might very well fall on my face in nature and acknowledge the one by whom nature was created. However, I'm not convinced LoveJesusplz has reflected on the theology of worship at that level. That's what I get paid for. ;-)

    Blessings,

    Frank

  • continued ... I'll have to check out the other two parts and see where you go with them. I'm not sure though that the proof text you give regarding the worship of angels holds though. There is often a distinction made between the Angel of the Lord and angels. But it is also a bit of s stretch to see this hunt for a supposed Bible code as an act of worship. For example, it is also apt for Christians to see Christ in the other - yet that does not mean we worship the other.

  • continued... However, for a Christian to read the First Testament through the lens of a Trinitarian Jesus is quite apt. But at the same time I wouldn't expect a non-Christian reader to employ that same strategy. The textual critique is quite a good one to keep in mind though - it is the sort of check and bound that is needed when reading the First Testament through the Christ event (as opposed to the Exodus as a Jewish reading would) as the primary interpretive event.

  • LoveJesusPlz is overextending a legitimate hermeneutic strategy. This happens a lot because the expectation is that there should be something more than types and hints of Jesus in the First Testament if indeed the First Testament is part of the Christian canon. I think you are right to say that his interpretation is driven by a desire to see Jesus Christ in the First Testament - and as this is his strategy he seems a bit unwilling to critically evaluate the texts he is projecting Jesus onto.

  • Cheers Bro, All the best

  • thanks for clearly that up.

  • The question put that way on a supposition on how a hebrew would think ? is ??? I know , that is me for I AM THE ONE I SEE IN FRONT OF ME.

    If you know real hebrew that is.... Your failing to see is based on your level of understanding, because us westerners arent taught that way. We are taught Dualism. Fortunately my family is from the east so i have an advantage.Like i said before if.. youve studied at yeshiva you would know about the "I". Put it this way, everything you "read" is YOU

  • Some biblical. Amos 5:26 is a good place to start, youll have to dig further on that one i cant give you all my notes ! lol

    Genesis the "stars " are for signs and to govern. I think leviticus where God says The gentiles are allowed to serve the stars But israel not.

    A negative one is lev 7:17

    Invoking angelic names , just look in the Machzor, or read Aryeh Kaplans book "Meditation and Kabbalah"

    Yes planets are called stars, angels. I wont say more on this publically, but lets say jews practised.

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