Frances Fox Piven vs. Milton Friedman, Thomas Sowell

In this clip from the 1980 Free To Choose, socialist Frances Fox Piven tangles with Milton Friedman and Thomas Sowell. We thought this would be interesting in light of the recent dustup between The New York Times and Fox News (Glenn Beck) on the subject of Piven.

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• Frances Fox Piven
• New York Times
• Glenn Beck
• Milton Friedman
• Thomas Sowell
• egalitarianism
• equality

[buddacafe]

The only equality i seek is to have the equal ability to speak my words identically and as talented as Milton Friedman. In that prospective, life is not fair.

[LCT29]

Friiedman ownage-man I miss him, what a great mind-sharp right up to the end.

[themeettrees]

What's the point of me being equal with everybody else if I'm not free???

[laker10591]

i kinda wanna punch that lady in the face. idk why. i just do

[brk49er]

All the books written, all the classes taught, and all the discussion on socialism in America can be summed up into one statement. "If you rob Peter to pay Paul, you will have Pauls vote." That is socialism in America.

[cyanide585]

Friedman and Sowell owned the egalitarian socialist, Piven, big time. You can see the Cloward -Piven strategy in effect under the Obama monstrosity.

[dubified89]

Friedman holding his own in this

[mites7]

Today: Chile has the highest Human Development rating in South America.

[diskpanic]

(continued) So, in effect, she was criticizing the VERY social economic system that she espouses... stupid Socialists.

[diskpanic]

Piven kept driving at how "free market" systems destroyed countries through force of government... but what she didn't realize was that the very system of control she was criticizing was pure SOCIALISM. When businesses and governments collude, the governments always have invested interest in the businesses, and vice versa. That's classic socialist (state ownership of means of production).

[AzNickPatriot]

@localcrew dont forget George Soros another Mr. Obama's ideological mentors

[ryancsmith2003]

I feel like these guys enjoy talking over peoples heads

[USASecretHistory]

@KingDingaLing090 South Vietnam would be another example. The transnational corporations would not have done business there had the US intervened. All developing and highly developed nations have some form of government control in their economies. The US had a government control economy, especially in the automobile industry, public schools, the post office, the police, fire departments, etc. Our country does not allow the market complete control in these areas.

[henrycate]

Frances Fox Piven, in my opinion, shows herself to be a genuine Socialist hairball (and nutball). What a disgrace to academia & the human race she is.

[KingDingaLing090]

@USASecre Lol So if the government didnt intervene what would have happened? Natural selection.If the government didnt intervene there would be free markets. So get out of our face and let the market work. Get your greedy hands away. You can find some random market with political problems to make your point, while I can show you dozens of genocidal regimes that killed tens of millions of people under government controlled economies. Ever heard of Cloward & Piven? Educate yourself little dumpling

[USASecretHistory]

@KingDingaLing090 She's right. So called "free-markets" do exist because of government intervention. We recently saw this with the bailouts. The case in Chile is significant. "Free-market reforms" were implemented via military force in Chile during the 70s. She does none of the things you accuse her of. She raises legitimate points as do all of the participants here do as well. And they listen to one another.

[USASecretHistory]

There is no logic to Friedman's reasoning about Chile. His ideas helped create the economic policies that were implemented under the dictatorship of Pinochet. He wants to dance around the issue by stating that the people of Chile were more free under this military dictatorship (US allies) than the people in communist countries. He doesn't mention a specific case.

[rintintinification]

so awesome.

[KingDingaLing090]

Jeeze, that dead carcass on her head is making her very angry.

This woman (someone may need to check for sure) personifies everything wrong with America today. She brainwashes children and actively works to destroy American civilization so we can have something similar the USSR; where people lived under totalitarianism for 70 years, and conguered and enslaved 1/3 of the world, and killed well over 100 million people. She cheers on race war and class riots. Someone killed the wrong beast.

[darkstack]

OMG I LOVE this stuff! Great genius arguments!

[jerryleeharrison32]

@pcc68friedman tore her a new one

[zivjax]

@LongBow1600 Really? Where did you pull that complete and utter BS from? Rand would never have agreed to that.

[LongBow1600]

7:25 7:25 7:25 - This is why Friedman doesn't apply in 2012... We are in this era.

[LongBow1600]

@zivjax Ayn Rand condones the stealing of people's home to be given to other people, who are said to be more chosen. Credibility? I think not.

[Lurker1979]

Boy this women is confusing free enterprise with crony capitalism. Is because she is dumb or is she purposely distorting the facts. I think its the latter.