Don Exodus: wrong on gill slits on human embryos?

Witness the wonder, even in 2008, we still hear defunct terms being discussed in Youtube circles. The idea of gillslits on mammalian embryos was an idea that even Charles Darwin believed, yet was a fraud, pushed by Ernst Haeckel. And now we debunk this concept in regard to Don Exodus' video, and he should know better.

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Science & Technology

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• Don
• Exodus
• human
• embryos
• science
• check
• evolution
• fraud
• ernst
• haeckel
• darwin
• gill
• slits

[RichardMNixon]

You're just arguing semantics here...

Then comes 1:20...

How dishonest can you be? "Up to you to check your facts?" Bullshit. You made unjustified assertions and then claimed it was ok since you're not saying they're definitely true.

\Monism is not a religion in any sense of the word. You're referring the Monist League, which has no connection to Monism.

[ScienceCheck]

Your emotionalism has betrayed you. You need to study up on science, "RichardMNixon."

[RichardMNixon]

I never said anything about science. Pharyngeal arches are commonly referred to as gill slits because that's what they look like. You argue semantics, and then you posit some disingenuous bullshit about "Monism." Trying to compare one side of a debate to Hitler is hardly a neutral point of view.

Haeckel's drawings were made up, but we've taken photographs since then that show many of the same similarities, in most cases just less extreme than Haeckel hoped.

[ScienceCheck]

In correct. phrangeal arches are not commonly referred to as gill slits, now, however, they referred to as gill slits in Darwin's day up till the 60's. It was once believed that these slits were actual openings that acted as real gills. And Don Exodus FAILED in his examination of gill slits by using old textbooks.

[RyuDarragh]

You are making assumptions based on faulty knowledge of me and my credentials. Do not presume to do so and I will not do so on your part, but your wording suggests you are being disingenuous.

[ScienceCheck]

I did not base any ideas about assumptions on your faulty knowledge. I base it on what you actually said. You said: "The features that gave rise to gill slits do indeed form, but not into full gill slits" This is an assumed position. It's based on tautology. "These features gave rise to gill slits because these features were once gill slits. How do we know, because these features gave rise to gill slits."

[euphemus2]

"The pharyngeal arches and clefts are frequently referred to as branchial arches... [but] since the human embryo never has gills called "branchia", the term pharyngeal arches... has been adapted for this book"

I'm no expert on embryology but I can read. That seems to say: they are commonly called gill-slits because they are the same as branchial arches/clefts, but since they don't ever become gills in humans, to avoid misunderstanding in students, we will use the term throat-slits. Your point?

[TheProf1988]

Mammals most definatly DO have pharageal gill arches in embryo development.

pharyngial gill arches are one of the diefining criteria of chordates, they are present.

end of story. YOU check YOUR facts

[MumblingMickey]

@ScienceCheck It was also 'never' believed they were real gills since as I stated even the fish don't have gills at that early stage of development and that was known in 1820 by the guy who discovered them in the first place.

Where did you get the idea anyone but a total retard thought these were actual gills? Could you give me an example of any book, paper or statement by any embryologist at any time that said this?

Joe the uneducated who likes a side of salmon for his supper doesn't count!

[MumblingMickey]

@ScienceCheck they still are referred to as gill slits, then again when your computer fails you call it a 'crash' but it doesn't actaully collide with anything!

And moreover they are referred to as gill slits even in embryonic fish and in mammals even though at that stage of development even the fish don't have real gill slits!

These structures make up meckals cartilage they are the stem material which goes on to form a jaw in mammals and the first gill in fish.

Did you know that?

[waw460]

Recapitulation is not a fraud... Haeckel overdid it for personal glory.

[sweetmikser]

"Dumb Excrement" is wrong on MANY things... lol

[crimsontearz24]

@euphemus2 That's what I got out of it, too. To answer the video's title, "No, DonExodus2, our Lord and Savior, was not wrong. Hallelujah and Ramen."

[freethinker923]

I know exactly what you're doing here science check. You went above and beyond the call of duty with this video while throwing ad hominems and red herrings all over the place. Don't anyone be fooled. this is part of the dishonest creationist wedge strategy which attempts to discredit evolution, and you should be ashamed of yourself.

[benthemiester]

In his other video he admits that recapitulation is wrong. In this video he is supporting it.

[tomestubbs]

Do you mean Bronchial?

[patrickledford420]

@ScienceCheck im sure he didnt mean actual gills but phrangeal arches