That Jesus painting is NOT the Gospel

In the same way that Ghandi can appeal to our psychology, the Gospel of Jesus Christ can, but more profoundly.

A response to Nick, who is still my dog.

Here's his video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcgWueYdXNk

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[sinbien336]

If Christianity were about the example of Jesus made of himself, I wouldn't argue with you, but it isn't. It is about some crazy idea that a person died so that my actions don't matter; people finding scripture to validate hatred for people different from them be it in religion, skin color or sexual orientation; denial of evidence because some old book has stories that disagree. I agree with Gandhi, "I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."

[vbfl920]

@sinbien336

this is inaccurate.

It's not about making sure that our actions don't matter. The fact is, our sin actions DO matter. We cannot stand under the weight of our sin since every single one of us is imperfect. Our actions matter Christ came to be judged as a substitute, if we so allow.

The verses about sins are there to point out what those sins are, not to incite hatred against people.

And what evidence is being denied?

[AHughman08]

Hey so, I totally never got around to a video response to this. Sorry man.

It looks like HD & Naked really bled this one out though.

But yea basically it doesn't matter what the bible says jesus looked like, if he's being depicted as a GQ model than members of your faith are using sex appeal to sell your product. (+ money, numbers, fear..)

My point is this: you'd think the product of "a personal relationship with the inventor of the universe" being sold by god himself, could sell itself.

[vbfl920]

@AHughman08

So Im not sure where Jesus is ever depicted as a GQ model. All Ive ever seen are benign paintings of him. Perhaps you can tell me where you've seen Jesus in an Armani suit?

As far as *WHAT* christianity is selling...it is ultimately presenting the Jesus we see IN THE BIBLE.

No matter the method being used, ultimately it comes down to the Jesus we see in the gospels.

No one is selling a "portrait" Nick. They are "selling" Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John.

[sinbien336]

@vbfl920 If you don't have to pay for your sins as long as you believe in Jesus (which is what a lot Christians believe based on John) then it doesn't matter if you've committed them.

People use the bible all the time to justify mistreatment and hatred of others: discrimination based on sex, race, religion, sexual orientation, etc, and also to deny evidence of evolution, the age of the earth, the fact that Noah's flood didn't happen, etc. Not saying all Christians but quite a few believe this.

[HonestDiscussioner]

"But if he didn't, then I wouldn't believe he existed, either."

But you can still believe without an entity consciously to convince you, you can come to a conclusion without god, though whether your conclusion will be correct or incorrect remains to be seen.

The criteria for evidence is subjective and different for each individual. No one thinks exactly the same, if they did they'd be the same person. My point is that if god existed, all would be convinced; if he doesn't, only some would be.

[legodesi]

"If he did, then I would believe he existed"

But if he didn't, then I wouldn't believe he existed, either. (This is just to show you again, that the conclusions we are reaching in this argument are determined by the positions we've already taken on the existence of God) Anyhow, are we still assuming that criteria of evidence is subjective, or that it's objective?

[TheNakedAtheist]

"The divorce rate is 50% right now.

Do you think it was ALWAYS at 50%?"

No it was lower when women were considered property or spoiled, and unfit for marriage if they divorced. So they stayed married to abusive womanizers. Are you trying to say things were better then??

[vbfl920]

Yeah, and right now about 10 of my friends are in Atlanta with 20,000 18-25 year olds at a worship conference.

That has no bearing on whether the message is false or not. It only shows a trend in whether people are willing to follow it. And trends constantly change.

The divorce rate is 50% right now.

Do you think it was ALWAYS at 50%?

[TheNakedAtheist]

@vbfl920

I'm curious if you were aware of the findings of the Southern Baptist Council on Family Life's research in 2002. 88% of children raised in evangelical households leave the church at 18 never to return, and 2/3 of southern baptists only attend church sporadically. The message isn't being heard by those who are most intimately associated with it. THAT speaks volumes.