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@RioRags That is interesting, about Bill W. He sure wasn't perfect, that's
for sure! I used to believe that alcoholism wasn't a disease, and that
people just said that because they wanted to make the old alkies feel
better. I've learned alot about alcoholism and recovery, and it is a disease
according to the American Medical Association.
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Wow, people really like to make long comments on this channel. Must be a British thing?
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That Vaillant quote isn't even about AA! He was referring to a study of detox patients from a specific clinic-part of a larger longitudinal study of alcoholism spanning 50 years. He spent decades studying the lives of 100s of alcoholics.
After all that work, here's what Vaillant said: "40 percent of all recovery has probably occurred through AA."
He spent decades studying life histories of 100s of alcoholics, who were carefully observed for 50 years.
But somehow you, @raysny, know better.
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@tomviolin A 5% success rate is the same as no treatment at all, and that doesn't take in AA's higher mortality rate. George Vaillant, former Harvard professor, researcher, and AA trustee set out to prove that AA works, instead he found, "Not only had we failed to alter the natural history of alcoholism, but our death rate of three percent a year was appalling."
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AA is for sissy quitters that let booze get outta hand but ohhh the babes
I used to go to the meetings to get chicks
Id sit next to the hottest one and whisper as I ran my hand up her thigh "Wanna go for a couple drinks later?"
Then Id let them get nice and tanked on my nickel cause we all know the chicks in AA are there cause they cant keep their legs closed when they get piss drunk
Hell most women turn whore when drunk but the babes in AA are crazy wild on the demon liquor
CHEERS !!
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Another point: since it is a free program, any statistic is totally meaningless. First, since it is free, there will be lots of people who aren't serious about rehab or recovery and so of course they "fail". Secondly, no one tracks this stuff so no one knows. Finally I believe court-ordered AA is totally wrong as AA is supposed to be voluntary and anonymous.
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@raysny It's an anonymous program, so I don't know where you get those statistics, but I know for a fact that it works for many people I personally know. They aren't statistics, they are living, breathing people with families who thank God for bringing their loved ones back from the brink. Even if it did only work for 5%, that's 5% who are clean and sober today who might otherwise be dead. Neither I, or anyone, has ever claimed AA works for everyone. "Save one life, you save the world entire."
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You sound like one of those people who pushed laetrile as a cancer cure. A good portion of those who listened died and didn't have to.
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Significant? You call 5% significant?



Bottom line: If AA, or Al-Anon, or whatever, works for you, great. If it doesn't, try something else! 12-step programs really do work for some people, and they clearly don't work for others. Why should the two "sides" keep trashing each other? Why are there even "sides" at all? "Oh, look, I'm wearing a striped shirt and you're wearing a solid color! Let's start fighting about it!" Come on. We're all in recovery, from something. concentrate on that, and quit wasting your energy.
tomviolin 1 year ago 35
There should be a "fuck adds taking 3 minutes to load" thumbs up comment in every thread. As a spoiled American....I demand this.
NocturnalExistence 1 year ago 15