Matt Chandler - You're Not the Point

One of the cornerstone ideas behind Matt Chandler's preaching, "The Bible is not a book about your life, and you are not the point." Here he uses David and Goliath to zero in, and illustrate his point.

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[facepalmxo]

which sermon is this from? thanks

[a0adio0]

@facepalmxo If I remember correctly, it's from the Habakkuk series. Sermon 6-7 I believe.

[jehovahuponyou]

IT IS ABOUT """ME""" TO!

HOW ABSURD!

JOEL OILSTAIN TOLD ME IT WAS ABOUT ME, I LIKE JOEL!

:^)

[NealMcCrispy]

@brendos444 No. Wrath in the OT means wrath. You're basically denying Psalms 5:5-6 "The boastful shall not stand before your eyes; you hate all evildoers. You destroy those who speak lies; the LORD abhors the bloodthirsty and deceitful man." And a host of other verses. And Paul didn't say that. He said the Law was our παιδαγωγὸς (schoolmaster, tutor, or guardian). Denying that Jesus died for your sins is denying the Word of God. 

[brendos444]

@NealMcCrispy You have to remember that in the OT, language of wrath was used in the same way we scold little children when they do something wrong. We love them, but they arent mature enuf to grasp the full implications of our love so we take actions that they can understand. But when we are grown up, we can have a more mature discussion. The Torah was a "babysitter" as St Paul says. Now we must grow up into Christ. God is love and thru Jesus we see God's true character.

[brendos444]

@NealMcCrispy Currently I'm a Protestant Christian, but I am investigating Eastern Orthodoxy and high church Anglicanism. Contrary to popular opinion, Anglicanism is not Protestant.

[NealMcCrispy]

@brendos444 I'm not really familiar with Christus Victor anyway, I'm about to read up on it.

[NealMcCrispy]

@brendos444 Romans explains this much better than I can though. What branch of the Christian tree do you represent?

[NealMcCrispy]

@brendos444 But God IS angry with sinners. "The boastful shall not stand before your eyes; you hate all evildoers." -- Psalm 5:5. Look at Luke 19:11-27. "But as for these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slaughter them before me." (verse 27). We get punished for our sin. That's what hell is for. Jesus took that punishment. That's why it says he took our sin in all of those verses. The Isaiah verses are pointing that out as well.

[brendos444]

... I don't think there's a scripture which says this explicitly. To be sure, Christ was our substitute. But he was our substitute because he is our representative. He became man and identified with us. where Adam failed at being human, Jesus succeeded in being genuinely human. so he died on our behalf to release us from our bondage to sin and death - not to appease an angry God. I think this is the true substitutionary atonement. And it fits well into the Christus Victor scheme

[brendos444]

@NealMcCrispy Thanks for those scriptures. I must say that I don't think those scriptures are explicit statements of penal substitution. The statement "by his wounds you have been healed" does not at all conflict with Christus Victor. But it does not have the same meaning as the Reformed doctrine of penal substitution. You have to show me a scripture that says God is angry with us, and to placate his anger, he punishes Jesus instead of us. This is the Reformed doctrine of PS..

[NealMcCrispy]

@brendos444 And read Romans 3:25, 1 John 2:2, and 1 John 4:10. Read and rejoice in the grace of God. Jesus died in our place!