Evil Is An Abstract (Dogma deleted scene)

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"You've probably seen this cut scene on the Dogma Special Edition DVD. Unbeknownst to us however was that the full production audio was left off the DVD clip, ruining the impact of that emotional scene. Hear it now in all it's glory."

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[louthegiantcookie]

You know, they could have kept this in if they maybe cut out a few dozen sex refrences.

[demecowen]

@benzinhuhn my guess is it would anger the Christian community even further, that 2 minutes saying that Hell is abstract concept of man own creations, not a place for sinners that can never be forgiven is a lie, it is throwing out a maybe half the christain teaching out the window.

Really there are debate if Hell actually exists and just Heaven and how that would effect the Christian view.

Or it would have made Azrael look better and feel sorry for him.

[DragonmanX90]

@louthegiantcookie Here's the problem I have with your argument; no one ordered them to kill azrael. They took him out because he was going to kill them, in that light it was self preservation in addition to having to stop the angels. And nothingness may be better than hell for Azrael, but to damn every single living entity to the same fate does not warrant sympathy. He started out as a victim of sorts, and he became an omicidal psycho at the end.

[louthegiantcookie]

@DragonmanX90 Nothingness almost seems preferable to having to spend your whole life in fear of this omnipotent bully and then spending the rest of ETERNITY mindlessly praising him. Hitchens once called Heaven a 'celestial North Korea' and it's an apt description.

They hear everything he said, everything God drove him to do and then mindlessly cosy up to her at the end of the movie. Maybe, just maybe, God's a little bit unfair. But no, they never ask that question and brainlessly follow orders.

[DragonmanX90]

@louthegiantcookie In their defense he was trying to kill everything in order to escape Hell. His reasons for wanting out become somewhat irrelevant when you consider that he's dooming everyone; innocent and sinner, believer and non-believer alike to the void of nothingnness. Is Hell horrifying and terrible, oh undoubtably. Is it sympathetic for someone to bring about the end of existance itself in order to escape such a fate, that's where things get questionable.

[Gantzer1]

Fuckin dope lines.

[deathshadow2492]

This video is possibly one of the greatest deleted scenes I've seen.

[tag7100]

@FinalFirebrand I have the movie on DVD, and this is in the deleted scenes section. There's an introduction to it by Kevin Smith, and he says that they cut it after showing the movie at Cannes- journalists had said that this scene is just a B-plot, and doesn't further along the main story. So he caved in and dropped it. It's a damn shame though, this is easily one of my favorite scenes from any movie I've ever seen, and something that Jason Lee should be insanely proud of.

[louthegiantcookie]

A big problem I have with this scene is that everything Azrael says is so understandable and sympathetic that their nonchalance about killing him is fucking disgusting.

They're the good guys, apparently, but are unable to show even the slightest pity to this guy?

[SFIII8510]

@demecowen You missed the point.

He says Evil is an abstract.

Evil is created by ones mind.

Hell is the absence of God...in essence...we're in hell...and most people in it suffer because they can't come to grips with the reasons they make the decisions they do...

Then again...there are lots of people that pass judgement on others in this world, so by that regard...he is not absent...

I'm being totally sarcastic when I say that...but...

You probably know what I mean...

[FinalFirebrand]

I feel like it was cut because it was just a little too heavy on the philosophy in comparison to the rest of the movie. A little TOO serious. Amazing scene...just not for Dogma.

[dayman152]

This needed to be in the movie