UTOPIA - Human Destiny?

If the human race were able to achieve the ultimate goal of a Utopian society, is it their true destiny to do so? Or is life on this planet all about learning and gaining wisdom through hardship? Is the true concept of Utopia a description of Heaven/The Soul State/The Spirit Realm? Was human life created so we could achieve things that are unique to this dimension?

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[tesseringwhale]

Firstly, every mark within this comment is to further magnify what understanding I hold towards the subject in question and for all those participants in the infinity sequence. Surely an optimist would believe that a utopia is feasibly attainable. I see the utopia as the carrot to which we chase or the mountain's crest which the human race is endlessly climbing towards. I relate the notion that the utopia is not yet upon us to the old adage: the be greener on the other side.

[theinfinitysequence]

The "grass is greener" is a very interesting vantage point ~ well worth further consideration.

[EddyvanIke]

The question you are asking is built on the axiom that such a thing as learning exists. There is a famous arguement put forth by Thomas of Aquin, in his dialogue "de megistro".

He presents an interesting case that we do not at all learn, we remember the truth that we already know. And we have the choice to accept that truth or deny it. If a society was utopian, than all our striving would be towards total recall. Once that is achieved, harmony is at 100%.

How's that for a thought?

[theinfinitysequence]

Can you give a link to find out more about this quote in detail; I find it so fascinating and relative to the world we live in now?

[EddyvanIke]

You asked for a reference. I am sorry, I confused the version of Thomas of Aquin with the one by Aurelius Augustinus, another important thinker. His book was written as an homage to Plato in dialogue form (parallel to Plato's dialogues with Sokrates)

The book is called "de magistro" and is written in Latin. An old friend of mine gave it to me in the German translation with the Latin original. I could only find the french version online.

[theinfinitysequence]

Thank you for your efforts my friend.

[treeneh]

Great video! :) You adressed a lot of issues that i hadn't thought of at all

[dreadwing93]

I believe something resembling a Utopia by today's standards will be achievable. However, as today's problems are solved new problems will arise that we cannot even begin to imagine. Basically, a near-Utopian society will strive to establish a more perfect Utopia. The American dream was a similar concept, we escaped yesterday's problems into what we though was perfect, but now we have new problems.

[MsGeogeog]

I just think that the various types of Utopia (Ecological, socialist, communist, capitalist, technological, ect) are all based on subjective ideals, and are not grounded on the objective realm of scientific reality. True, values systems half to change for these idealized societies, but values change in societies through time. Therefore, given that societies technological fluctuate relative to value and organizations systems, I conclude Utopia is inachievable, simply tbecauses it's subjective.

[MsGeogeog]

However, I raise the proposition that the very idea and meaning of Utopia is an unachievable concept, specifically because the Utopian idea assumes there is an achievable level, which is itself a subjective idea itself, not an objective fact. Any thoughts? My idea is a worded derivation from Jacque Fresco's interpretation of the idea of Utopia.

[MsGeogeog]

This is a wonderful discussion, but I noticed that when you discussed the achievability of Utopia, your doubts are a measure-stick analysis of our present society. I would certainly agree that with the given analysis of regional, if not global society today, the idea of achieving Utopia is rather impractical.

[MsGeogeog]

This is a wonderful discussion on the ideas and derivations of Utopia. :) I did notice that when you discussed the achievability of Utopia, specifically the doubts raised, are literally a measure-stick analysis of our present society. I would certainly say that with the given analysis of regional, if not global society today, the idea of achieving Utopia is rather impractical.

[newave010]

Apologies for being irrelevant, but your video made a lot of other things come to mind, such as what you said about our idea of utopia being a memory from the Spirit Realm. In my view, we are not meant to create a utopia here, in this dimension. I believe that , however, it is possible that our growth here could lead to a possible greater existance of being, and if that means another society in another plane, then it would be entirely different- perhaps enough to not even be called a "society"

[newave010]

I'd like to hear your take on this: where does our capacity to love come into the equation? Why do we feel (universal) love for people when we are at a level of extremely high bliss? Is "love" really an addiction to the reaction we get from certain people, are we simply too happy to feel anger and therefore, free of negativity, feel no pain and therefore call it love? Or is love an actual binding energy? What is the boundary between love and respect, and how would this be addressed in "utopia?"

[deleahmarie]

All of the details have to be learned and mastered before a big 'perfect' picture can form.

I must say, if our wisdom is based on 'shit hitting the fan', then I should be a guru. My entire life since young childhood has been based on unrecognized and unappreciated sacrifice, punishment, torture, and just giving all of myself to others. I should be insane, but instead I STILL love and give 24/7, and I don't understand ANYONE who is SELFISH about ANYTHING. Great video by the way!