Determinist Meeting 2, pt. 2
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Anything other than some conception of human agency is non-sensical. Problem with this discussion is that it is utterly philosophical unsophisticated, and you are confusing the brain with our Bewusst-Sein and causal relations with total determination. Free will is, of course, hard to prove. But determinism can atleast be disproved. (Hint. Read your modern philosophy, read Heisenberg.) Dilletants.
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arrr, I want more Elaine. <_< Anywho, I just wanted to put out that of the people I talked to who believe in free will, they believe that free will is completely materialistic and is somehow in the otherwise completely causual universe. Don't ask me how this is suppose to work. Also, About a comment Elaine made half-way in the video, I used to be a christian and I became an atheist simply by hearing the arguments for atheism.
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One more thing, I think the concept of free will discussed here is not even remotely close to what theists refer to as free will. However, I agree in regards to God being outside the laws of physics. Its the only way there could be a God. I prefer purple to blue and choose blue (freewill). I prefer purple to blue and choose purple. (still free will) Its the preference that is determined by something other than my will who knows, genes, the position of the sun at my birth, childhood experiences.
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Film, even.
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Ah, then we'll have to fill a full discussion of compatibilism at that time! If you are game, that is. And you aren't quite as cute as Elaine, but I'm sure it'll be a hit!
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Gary, it's inacurate to hold the discussion as if determinism automatically precludes free will, and I know you know that. Also, you I'll be in DC Dec 10-25.
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I chose to sleepwalk, I'll have you know. I did it of my own free will, just like my seizures.
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Because that term doesn't have a very precise usage. Some have called me a compatibilist because I maintain that morality is possible along with determinism.
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Since I get upset discussing/arguing about fundamental things of the universe, I will say the following: 'yer both damn hot, the two of 'yas.
toiletholder 2 years ago
Well, thank you.
burnvictim77 2 years ago