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Intelligent Design Creationism

Robert T. Pennock, the scientist, philosopher and author of "Tower of Babel, The Evidence Against the New Creationism" speaks on the controversial movement to include intelligent design creationis...  
 
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MrAfar11 (4 days ago) Show Hide
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Evolution is not science and neither is religion. Please don't intermingle the terminology religion with Intelligent design because they are two very different propositions.Evolution fails miserably at every juncture even when seperated from its religious antithesis. All I am saying is to provide proof. Even a single fossil. But please I ask you again not to intermingle faith in evolution with cold hard science. Once you start saying *we believe* then you have left science behind for fantasy.
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Afar: After I showed you, how the bible came into being, you still believe that it was god's word?

"Intelligent Design"? Good! Because intelligent Design pretends to be science, it is the easier to be refuted.

Here is some proof for evolution:
As a rule, the fossils of older, simpler organisms are always found in lower rock layers than the fossils of higher developed ones.

Now explain that away with "intelligent design". And forget "super evolution". That has been long refuted.
afar1 (4 days ago) Show Hide
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All the animal phyla, including chordate fish, are now known as fossils in the Cambrian System. No ancestral forms can be found for the protozoans, arthropods, brachiopods, mollusks, bryozoans, coelenterates, sponges, annelids, echinoderms or chordates. These phyla appear in the fossil record fully formed and distinct, in better agreement with the concept of "multiple, abrupt beginnings" (creation) than with the notion of "descent from a common ancestor" (evolution).
flamifer (3 days ago) Show Hide
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afar: I am absolutely satisfied with the idea, that life began with one or more very simple organisms that consist of a single cell, like protozoa. I apologise that I mistook you for a creationist, who believe in the flood, a 6000 year old earth and a 950 year old Noah.

Actually, what really matters to me is, to show what the bible really is: A book with many rules of dubious morale value and few real answers, who's writers had the incredible arrogance to declare it "God's word".
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Fossils are one of many pillars of evidence holding evolution. There is also comparative anatomy, the distribution of modern life, comparing active DNA AND junk DNA, vestigial organs, observed speciation...the list goes on. If there weren't a single fossil, we'd still be able to know that life evolves.

BTW, the reason there's an explosion of fossils around the Cambrian because that's around when hard tissues (bones/cartilage) evolved, and hard tissues fossilize a LOT more than soft tissues.
badpanda84 (3 days ago) Show Hide
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Problem with "intelligent design" is that is is very vauge.

You might as well say "It happened by magic"
flamifer (3 days ago) Show Hide
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That is, because creationists are not really interested in knowledge.

They belong to the group of people, that is convinced that knowing too much is damaging to the faith and therefore better to be avoided.

In other words: "Don't think too much, it will only make you unhappy. And now do and think as I told you".

Blind faith is an excellent tool to keep people under control. It conditions them into obedience.
ashraghil (4 days ago) Show Hide
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I am pretty sure you know about the Dover trial. Even a conservative judge got convinced, that ID is in fact religion and therefore may not be taught in science classes.
And if you really would have dealt with evolution you would know that evolution doesn't deny gods existence - it explains HOW it works, not WHO is or is not responsible for it. Well, but since you've already been lying about the origin on ID, I assume your opinion about evolutionis a lie aswell.
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afar: You are right, complex life does not puff out of a prebiotic soup or dust. That is why scientists assume, that the first organism must have been very simple, like a virus.

I believe, that god once created a single, very simple type of cell, out of which all other life devoloped.

I have no more proof for it, it just sounds much more convincing to me than:

"God made Adam (a complex organism) out of dust"

The rest of my version of the genesis is in complete harmony with science.
afar1 (4 days ago) Show Hide
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I f you don't believe the beginning then you cannot believe the end.God had no need for 2 Adams.That's religious heresay.

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