Sam Harris - 'Muslims do not Have a clue about what constitutes a civil society'

Sam Harris once again demonstrating an issue with the actions and perspectives of mainstream Islam and its effects on the west.

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[allanhill1]

@ComputerGamerify It would seem that the control of islam, as with allother religions, kept the population ignorant and thus prevented the people of the region from educating themselves and benefiting.

[TheAmch0]

extreme retard ((:

[MasterAtheistic]

@Orv9322 I would contend that the Egyptians were centuries ahead of the Greeks in the fields of science, astronomy and mathematics and that it was due to the learning they did in Egypt that the Greek civilisation was as great as it was and that it is credited with so many discoveries and formulae. The Great pyramid at Giza's dimensions have precise relations to the size of the earth and to pi, which the Greeks are supposed to have discovered. Just Google items on the dimensions of the pyramids.

[ComputerGamerify]

@Orv9322 The rise of Islam destroyed the literary inheritance of the Middle-East, forever dooming that region to become what we see today. It was considered a ray of knowledge and light in the dark ages, but Islam soon put an end to that.

[Orv9322]

@arraba99

I wouldn’t attribute the founding of Astronomy to the Muslims, but rather to the Babylonians or the Greeks. The circumference of the Earth was first measured by Eratosthenes, a Greek mathematician, in the 3rd century BC. Whether it was accurate is debatable, as it depends on if he used the Greek or the Egyptian “stadion”, both of which would make sense. Depending on which, it would be an error or either 16% or 2% respectively.

I did not look the rest up due to lack of time.

[Orv9322]

@arraba99

That Muslims minted currency is hardly anything special, both the Greeks and Romans did that long before. Cheques are believed to have been used by Romans in the 1st century BCE and perhaps by others even earlier than that. As for seals, I’m honestly not entirely sure what you mean, but if you mean it as a means of authentication that would probably be attributed to the Egyptians or once again, the Greeks.

[Orv9322]

@arraba99

You’re quite right about the currently used numerals being Arabic, although some of them have origins earlier than Islam. Algebra is also an achievement of Muslims, although the origins of it can be traced back as far as Babylon, almost 2000 years BCE, and from there through most of the great civilizations.

As for lawyers, the first ones were either Greek or Roman, depending on your definition.

[Orv9322]

@arraba99

First off, this message is not meant to be against Islam in any way, or even be about religion, I was merely curious about some of the scientific achievements you attributed to Islamic scientists, and as such I looked some of it up.

Now, your claim that Islam led science in every field between the 7th and 17th centuries, I found the Islamic Golden Age to be between the 8th and 13th centuries. While still impressive it is only half of the millennia you claimed.

[arraba99]

@MrTimfroude

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That continued for about 10 years, where I unsuccessfully tried my best to distant my wife from religion. So one day she talked me into attending a lecture on Quran & Science, & I did.

One single item caught my attention, & started me on an off/on lengthy search, the verse about the Big Bang & also others about Stars & Erath

I studied six very detailed illustration volumes of the Quran (~600 pages each). Most people do not need all that time, Others are never convince

[arraba99]

@MrTimfroude

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I hope you do not use near scripted reply to me; Dr. Dawkins quote does not & would never apply to me. I employ cold logical to a fault, & I am often un-flattered about it. I would NOT do anything, I was not convinced of. Thus studying Astrophysics namely lead me to disbelief; because I could not reconcile what I learned with what I thought of as Islam’s simplistic view of the universe. At the time, I knew 1-2% of the simplest & chapters of Quran, from high school