How NOT to make a Dagorhir weapon part 1

Advice from some Dag Vets on what went wrong with this Dagorhir weapon.

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Gaming

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• LARP
• Dagorhir
• Lyonesse
• Fight
• Wepon

[Muchodelcrazy]

dag is so badass. If anyone ever makes fun of you, just tell them to come over and fight. They'll resist at first, but once people get fighting, they realize how fun it is and love it.

[Rosielsinclair]

William talks?

[Halofreakanoid]

@TheRealTMar : Like I already said, our are realistic in use, and yours are more realistic in look. It all depends on what you actually care about.

[Halofreakanoid]

@TheRealTMar : They're testing the strength of the foam by twisting it to show it won't break with full strength. We've had multiple Calimacils go through this group, and they were all too hard.

Right, it's prohibited because your points are too pointy, and with that style weapon you can't stab safely. I've seen what happens when you stab a lot with a European Larp weapon. We only care they look similar to real, as long as we can use them more like a real weapon, that's the point.

[TheRealTMar]

@Halofreakanoid I've seen a picture on the calimacil website in which they're twisting the foam: too soft. But sure you can stab and thrust with a European weapon, it's just prohibited. They also have a smooth finish, so shouldn't cause any cuts. Sealing them with isoflex takes care of the allergy problem.

Besides, yours still look ugly as hell ;) and we don't need to go 100% realistic at each other. We have plenty of imagination too.

[Halofreakanoid]

@TheRealTMar : Plus, we can make realistic looking weapons using plasti-dip if someone is willing to do so.

It all comes down to what you're looking for.

Your weapons are more realistic in look.

Our weapons are more realistic in use.

And while ours might not look as good, we have this thing called imagination, and immersion.

[Halofreakanoid]

@TheRealTMar : I don't think you've ever used a Calimacil. That foam takes a knife to tear, and most people complain that the foam is too hard, not the other way around.

Well there you have it. Dagorhir makes stab-safe weapons using various kinds of high quality open cell foams, and capping techniques. Our cloth covers take care of many different safety issues, from cuts from tape and other imperfections that CAN happen with hand-made latex, allergens, and core breakthroughs.

[TheRealTMar]

@Halofreakanoid Supertough foam? No it isn't! It is too soft and you can squeeze it to the core easily.

Stabbing is not allowed with any weapon here, unless it is coreless, like a small throwing knife or a specially padded spear. It is because even though there is 5 cm of foam on the tip of the sword, using too much force or getting pushed from behind while making a thrust move, might cause the end of the rod to push through. Allthough chance is remote, stabbing is prohibited.

[Halofreakanoid]

@TheRealTMar : Calimacil is Canadian and doesn't use latex they use a super tough foam.

Right, but how strong are they? The core of the weapon will eventually break down no matter what. Can you actually stab with them? Most latex weapons break down when you stab with them, most have thin points that can stab someone's eye. There are people that have latex allergies. Our equipment has to survive any normal use of a real weapon.

You cant make that judgement based on ignorance.

[TheRealTMar]

@Halofreakanoid : I have never heard of those brands before. They're not European either. Looks like these weapons are cast latex rather than foampadded and coated with latex and isoflex like ours. Cast latex weapons have showed up here as well and they're simply inferior to anything. They were out of picture quickly

A lot of seasoned fighters I know often hit full strength with weapons they've owned for many years. Quick conclusion: European foampadded/latex weapons are superior

[Halofreakanoid]

@TheRealTMar : We use fiberglass as a recommended material, not PVC. PVC is for starters only, and at that small length it is VERY unlikely to break, let alone whip. Also, there is a maximum flex rule in Dag that prevents whipping from occurring. I've OWNED latex weapons, and they've all broken easily during our type of combat. Everything ranging from Warlord brand to Calimacil will break. What do you consider full contact exactly? We don't just allow full strength hits.

[TheRealTMar]

@Halofreakanoid

Why unsafe? PVC tubing is not rigid enough and will act like a whip and so have more potential to deal out serious bruizes.

Have you even ever seen a latex weapon? A well built one lasts for many years, even if the latex wears off. I still see people using pretty old Schatzkammers which are still in good shape! Your argument does not hold. There have been bad manufacturers but they're out of business for good reason.