Age of the Universe: What does the Bible really Say ~ 3/4

But do not overlook this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. (2 peter 3:8 )

Genesis verse one explicitly maintains God created the heavens and earth over an unspecified time period denoted by the Hebrew term barasheet rendered in English as the begining. The primary difference between young earth and progressive creationists is the speculated amount of time between Gods creative acts. Young earth creationists skip right over verse ones clear declaration that God created the universe in the beginning and insist that creation was all accomplished in 144 hourssix successive 24-hour dayswhile progressive creationists allow for an indeterminate period of time. I maintain that because the scripture makes no claim, this is a matter better addressed by science. Attempts to explain away the text in order to accommodate dubious young earth scientific arguments really only discredit the scriptures. The claim that progressive creationists interpret scripture to fit modern science is demonstrably false. A true literal reading of Genesis is that the universe was created in verse one and God arranges the place for man over the described days. A scientific perspective is not required to see that they are not normal days. The church father Augustine wrote back in the fourth century AD:

"For in these days the morning and evening are counted, until, on the sixth day, all things which God then made were finished, and on the seventh the rest of God was mysteriously and sublimely signalized. What kind of days these were it is extremely difficult, or perhaps impossible for us to conceive, and how much more to say!"

http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/120111.htm [City of God 11.6]

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[ArkAngelHFB]

@gregrutz Cool... 

[gregrutz]

@ArkAngelHFB Age of the universe > 13.7 billion years.

Age of the earth > 4.5 billion years.

Geologic evidence for a global flood > it didn't happen.

just saying.

[ArkAngelHFB]

@gregrutz My point, and I'm not the first to view things this way.... nor is this a new view on things.

Most Israelite knew it was a story... However the story is now being taken out of both it's time context and it's original people context... in short... much of what the story is really about is missed. It is a story about morals and faith... not about water... if you are reading it for anything about H2o then you missed the point... just saying.

[gregrutz]

Astonomers say the universe is 13.7 billion years old. Call a 'day' anything you want.

[gregrutz]

@ArkAngelHFB But when Columbus discovered America it didn't need to be discovered again. I don't care what the 'purpose' of the flood story is, the point is it is just a story.

[ArkAngelHFB]

@gregrutz If there was a flood that cover a massive region but was not the "whole" earth?

If it was a narrative tale holding a moral and was written as an Israelite counter to a popular Uruk hero king story.

We say Alexander conquered the world but he really did not.

and last time I checked viking really found america but Columbus is still getting credit...

What is my point... things tend to be subjective and removed from original context... the real meaning of purpose can be lost.

[gregrutz]

@ArkAngelHFB Does the bible say there was a global flood and we all came off an Ark. ??

Then the bible is wrong.

[ArkAngelHFB]

@gregrutz The Bible says nothing about if we circle the sun or it circles us... the church leaders at the time was wrong but you can not say that Galileo prove the Bible wrong...

Hell the church wasn't even being true to the Bible then... Purgatory is an example... Why do you think there was the protestant reformation?

Most people couldn't read the Bible so the Church just made things up.

Now most people just don't read the bible so people make things up... really not much has changed.

[gregrutz]

Slow down with the logic in the video.

The earth may be old but it doesn't help Darwin's claim's [natural selection causes evolution]

ID scared naturalists so bad shit their pants?

How does God 'trancend' time?

[gregrutz]

@ArkAngelHFB The authority at the time was the Bible and the church which said the earth was the center of everything. Galileo showed them the moons of Jupiter and proved them wrong. They knew they were wrong and needed time to 'change their story'' so they pur Galileo underhouse arrest so he couldn't spread the TRUTH, science.