SCCC's Texas State University Chapter on NBC Nightly News

It's a short piece and not terribly informative, but overall it's not bad.

We're not sure why Emily Haas's mother was asked to offer the counterpoint to our position, instead of Emily Haas, but we find it ironic that she chose to make her point by arguing that the shooter's element of surprise would make it impossible for a concealed handgun license holder to respond to a campus shooting, since her daughter was the one who told CNN she hid under her desk listening to the gun shots, "waiting and hoping" the gunman wouldn't come into her room.

Emily survived with only superficial gunshot wounds, but her professor and ten of her classmates were killed.

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[patrick8shimek]

Here is a little fact for you Guzman. UPD has stopped a student before they got to campus with a loaded weapon before.

[ConcealedCampus]

If you would be so kind as to provide a source for that claim.

If it is true, then good! Admirable work by all officials involved, and no mistake. But officials didn't stop the other recent half-dozen college shootings, and can't stop every one. We shouldn't depend on them completely for our security - and shouldn't be deprived of our own ability to defend ourselves.

[patrick8shimek]

It was from the police chief mouth a few years ago at a police awards luncheon. what happens when someone steals someones gun in class and kills someone. Maybe even an accidental discharge in class that injures someone.

[ConcealedCampus]

First of all, this is Students for *Concealed* Carry. The fact that a certain someone is carrying should not be known until the need for defense presents itself, therefore they won't know to steal it. And anyway, if you're wanting to get hold of a weapon to go on a shooting spree, don't you think there are better ways than trying to attack someone who is armed?

11 schools in the US already allow concealed carry, no accidental discharges reported. It's VERY unlikely to happen.

[cramsa]

The question is not "should students carry legally" IT'S THAT THEY ARE DOING IT LEGALLY, but outside the school.

So the REAL QUESTION is, if they can legally carry when shopping, in the parking lot of walmart etc, why not be allowed to carry at school?

These people still pretend that "gun free zones" are "safe" just because a damn sign claims it is. That is like a potential rap victim wearing jeans and at the back it reads "RAPE FREE ZONE."

[jimitl5]

"As if some one is Maxed out on drugs and feeling no pain,"

You are assuming things that may or may not be true. Unarmed you have NO chance.

[leatherneck2044]

Fighting crime by banning guns is like fighting drugs by banning pharmacies.



[canisdormit]

When the crisis happens you don't rise to the occasion, you fall back on your level of training. For most that means you will fall back on fear and nothing, and you might die. For those with weapons training (concealed permits) you at least have a fighting chance, people may still die but at least you have a chance. Military and x-military would have the training to possibly react the best. The bottom line is that most people can't defend themselves, but they shouldn't deny those who can.

[GellyNose]

@patrick8shimek Again, provide a source. I've studied this area thoroughly and never have I heard of such an incident.

[Rhythmicons]

And not everyone CAN bear arms. people under 21, felons, people with documented psychological histories. SCCC doesn't want ANYONE carrying guns into schools, but people who are licensed. This is 1% of the population of states that issue licenses. Were not talking a massive influx of guns in schools.

[Rhythmicons]

If someone decides they want to kill someone, a "No guns allowed" sign ANYWHERE is irrelevant. They aren't going to obey one law to commit a more serious crime. If all guns were banned, only law abiding citizens would turn theirs in. Then, police and criminals would be the only ones armed. Laws need to give the good people (you and me) a choice. As a chl holder who is in college, I think about how betrayed I would feel if I had to reach for an empty holster in a crisis because i obey the law.

[Rhythmicons]

The Mentally unstable argument gets into some extremely grey areas. From a clinical standpoint, what is "Mentally unstable"? Some of those people you can't make them take their meds. If they want to stab someone they will do it with a knife, take the knives away, they use a screwdriver. If someone wants to really kill someone, they don't need a gun, right? You can kill someone with your shoestrings or your carkeys.

My argument is, laws affect law abiding citizens.

[Rhythmicons]

I don't see it as, "Im so afraid that i need a gun" I just see it like "This town is so messed up, the economy is screwed, people are desperate, christmas time is near (when crimes increase) It probably woudln't be a bad idea to have some protection in case I might need it.

Thanks for the dialogue.

Respectfully,

Eric

Rhythmicons

Former SCCC Campus Leader

[Rhythmicons]

I do have to stress though that the last thing that I ever want to do is to use a technique or to have to take a life to protect my own, but Im willing. I mean, seriously, I don't ever want to have to shoot someone. Just because I carry a gun doesn't mean that Im eager to use it. If I can avoid, thats what Im going to do. But when you go to school and some asshole wants to prove a point by shooting up the class, its hard to avoid that. I don't want my choices made for me or my tools taken away.

[Rhythmicons]

Man, I understand this issue can be very polarizing and can involve everyones emotions. But, its easy to read whatever you want into my statement. I am proactive, vigilant, prepared for a situation. I train in martial arts also, so yeah, Im always looking, trained to expect the unexpected. Paranoia, to me is when it affects you on a level that is disabling to some degree, when you DON'T engage in activities or are truly fearful.

[cloudvszell]

@Rhythmicons the reason i said your paranoid is because ,

"you are already hyper aware of your surrondings and anticipate, even on the subconscious level, a suprise attack."

this to me shows some one who is either looking for an excuse to fire his weapon or is way to cautious in thinking that i could be attacked at any moment so i need my gun all the time that'sbeing paranoid its a fear of being attacked