On Dealing with Denialists/Creationists

In this video, I discuss how everyone with an interest or career in science should aspire to dealing with denialists.

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[bamboo4tameshigiri]

But they are stupid, dumb and uneducated. That's being honest.

[SolRosenberg84]

Well, yeah, they are - but telling them that isn't going to help anything.

Might be better to just out-educate them, leave them in a position without a good response, and leave them thinking. Many of them may go right back to being uneducated and proudly ignorant, but some may actually start to do some research and change their minds.

At least, thats what I hope.

[bamboo4tameshigiri]

But you mentioned the problem yourself. Most of them are WILLFULLY ignorant. They call eating from the "tree of KNOWLEDGE" evil for a reason. These people will often fight to the death to remain ignorant. Most of them are a waste of oxygen. Pwning them is just for kicks. They usually make easy targets.

[SolRosenberg84]

I agree that the vast majority of them will never, ever do the work, and never do any research.

But, at the same time, there are probably the few that a bit of calm, reasoned argument mixed with a excellent understanding of evidence might actually get to. If I can help one person escape a life of family-directed ignorance, I think it would be worth it.

[farvision]

No. Creationism is not simple. They sweep the complexity into an undefined term 'god' and pretend that solves the problems. But actually it does not solve the initial problems and creates a much worse one, which is the origin of the god(s). Even worse, since there is no evidence for the gods, the situation is stuck.

[SolRosenberg84]

Yes, but they then dodge and deny that question, and trick themselves into thinking its not a problem.

What I mean by "simplicity" is that a single person could easily memorize the entire concept and its "supporting" ideas whilst an understanding of the evidence for evolution is much more complicated and is way too much information for a single individual to memorize.

[epanek]

Evolution and Creation are not equal theories. Creationism is not really a theory since it is not falsifiable but that is not the issue really.

Here is the issue: Those who subscribe to evolution ARE NOT PERSONALLY attached to the theory personally in any way. If the theory needs to change or be scrapped due to new evidence so be it. Creationists ARE 100% PERSONALLY ATTACHED to their theory. It cannot be altered and new evidence cannot contradict it. There is a huge difference.

[2lowkey100]

@fortruth8989 lol are you gonna comment on all his videos with the same comment with no way to back up what your saying like a typical creationist. idiot

[Cadfan17]

I have a different interpretation. Its not that you need to be an absolute expert to know enough to get around a denialist's defense mechanisms. In fact, fear of experts is one of the defense mechanisms denialists use to avoid exactly that issue.

The problem is that even an expert on, say, evolution, is probably not an expert on evolution denialism. And that's what you really need to be. To get through to a denialist, you need to be an expert on denialism.

[fortruth8989]

You admit that morals are necessary even if you believe in evolution.

The matter of the fact is: you can't have proper morality with Christian morality; you can't have Christian morality without Christianity; you can't have Christianity without the Bible; and you certainly cannot have the Bible without Genesis 1- 11!

The sense of morality these days has changed from "Because God says so", to "because it's not nice."

Why should YOU care about what others think? You're only out to satisfy YOU!

[fortruth8989]

You finally admit it.

[fortruth8989]

From the beginning of this video...

...you can say that again.

[fortruth8989]

You are smart and funny... but incorrect.

[eltamin1966]

I just visited our annual family reunion on Christmas Eve: That centuries old tradition and folkore keeps religion alive in secular societies as part of national identity - associated with holidays, gifts

and a feeling of belonging. The initial religious meaning is gradually losing it's former importance.

But statistics say - not surprisingly - that religious people have generally more children. Assuming these children tend to be more religious: it's a long way to go, Mike ...

[AtheistrEvolutionist]

Science doesn't "prove" anything.

That is math.

Maybe you knew that maybe you didn't just saying for the record. As to your claim you can show why people have an evolutionary proclivity to avoiding "evil" acts.

[javixm]

The user that took the approach that SolRosenberg is talking about here is the user 'potholer54'

potholer54 has a video playlist that goes into detail about basically EVERYTHING we know and, more importantly, how we know it.

Everyone watching this should go check his channel out.

[Venaloid]

Great video, subbed. I looked it up, he really did remove those chapters on geology and geographical distribution.