What's wrong with liberals? part 2 of 5

part 2

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[z4nizzle]

Since "giving to the poor", when done by the government, is financed by taxing everyone else, it is directly against "thou shall not steal". Taxation is legalized theft. It requires legal coercion.

[sonicsuns]

@z4nizzle I admit some problems regarding the moral validity of taxation (and various other common examples of coercion). However, I must ask: What do you propose we do? If you think taxation counts as "stealing", then it follows you think that all taxes should be banned. This would leave the government without funds (unless people send donations), and we would be faced with anarchy. I'm not sure that that would be an improvement over our current situation.

[z4nizzle]

Excise taxes on goods, i.e. a federal consumption tax. This would be sufficient to finance what I believe the role of the federal government is and allow people to control the amount they spend on taxes. As far as donations go, I've read about proposals to institute optional tax brackets, so that liberals like rich celebrities and other wealthy people can opt to pay more taxes, a thing they say the rich should do. I also know that taxes are a necessary "evil".

[sonicsuns]

@z4nizzle How exactly would an excise tax not count as "stealing" under the framework you proposed earlier? If I want to buy or sell something for $1, and then the government forces me (under threat of jail time) to send another 10 cents to the treasury, isn't that just as coercive as an income tax? (con't)

[sonicsuns]

@sonicsuns (part 2) It doesn't make sense to say that people can "control" their taxation under excise taxes moreso than under income taxes. If people want to pay less excise tax, they can buy fewer products (or sell fewer products, depending on whom exactly you're taking the tax money from). If people want to pay less income tax, they can work fewer hours and earn less money. In both cases people can "control" their taxes by doing something they don't want to do.

[sonicsuns]

@501joshb "well its that war helps out with controlling the population, think how over crowded the would would be without war"

501joshb, there are A LOT of ways to control population growth that are better than warfare. Condoms, for instance. I'd rather wear condoms than get shot.

"It helps in economy(if your winning). creates jobs for people. "

Again, there are a lot of non-war ways to do this.

You have a MUCH better argument when you talk about using warfare to defeat the Nazis.

[501joshb]

@CodisOmodis well its that war helps out with controlling the population, think how over crowded the would would be without war. It helps in economy(if your winning). creates jobs for people. Technological advances happen. and sometimes the country were fighting against needs to be taken out(i.e. Nazi Germany with the genocide of the Jews, the needed to be stopped and talking doesn't allow that to stop). Sometimes war is just necessary. These are my opinions though. dont get mad

[CodisOmodis]

@501joshb

The question I would ask you is why do you like war?

[sonicsuns]

"they think guns and everthing is bad"

Guns and *everything*? They think everything is bad? Or just everything that has to do with guns? And just because liberals generally support gun control doesn't mean they're against all guns in all circumstances.

"they hate war. "

Well, war is painful, even if it is necessary sometimes.

"they just go against everything i believe in"

Really? Do you believe in democracy?