@destructiveone66 Like the rest of Atlas Shrugged, I thought the speech could have been more powerful, more memorable, and more accessible had it been cut down significantly. Really she's just beating a dead horse.
It is the longest series of specious statements ever! They are presented in a mind-controlling format, where one statement is layed upon the previous with no opportunity for rebuttal or clarification. What's left is acceptance, so that you can move on to the next quasi-truism. Eventually, a structure takes shape and you say "wow - there must be something to this!" But those building blocks are a facade, like all cult-speak, where the form IS the content.
@walperstyle I think her point is that you cannot eliminate greed. You can however severely limit government to prevent it from being abused by disproportionate greed.
@SandyIsAwesomeSauce It may seem that way, but that may just be your perception. I'm pretty sure Rand was led by reason, at least for the most part, and not by feelings as your statement implies.
@MagisterPridgen I understand that, but some of the scenes in the book (particularly when Ragnar returns Hank's taxes) made it seem like Rand feels that money is the be-all and end-all for success.
@SandyIsAwesomeSauce This is a strawman. Ayn Rand never wrote that "the only measure of success is money." She also never wrote that there is anything wrong with being generous, only that one is not obligated to be generous and that one should only give if it furthers ones values and is not a sacrifice (=giving up a greater value for a lesser value). As a gift generosity is a selfish act consistent with Objectivism.
Despite being a liberal, I can see many good points of Atlas Shrugged *gasp*. However, one thing I disagree with is the idea that the only measure of success is money, and that being at all generous is giving in to "the looters". There is a sense of moral satisfaction and even a greediness in helping others, even if that means you cannot enter Galt's Gulch.
i loved this book, it really taught through 1000 pages how to stop being the victim. always giving, but never getting back. always feeling guilt-tripped into giving away what i have rightfully earned when the people who i gave it away to did nothing to deserve it, but play on my sympathy. i have a right to happiness, and it shouldn't be restrained or put on hold for someone else. at the end of the day this is MY life, and i have to put myself before anyone else and value my happiness over others
@destructiveone66 Like the rest of Atlas Shrugged, I thought the speech could have been more powerful, more memorable, and more accessible had it been cut down significantly. Really she's just beating a dead horse.
Chefodeath 11 hours ago
@Chefodeath its glorious... in the context of the rest of the book its one of the most powerful speeches i have seen in literature
destructiveone66 12 hours ago
@Dinyang three actually....
destructiveone66 12 hours ago
It is the longest series of specious statements ever! They are presented in a mind-controlling format, where one statement is layed upon the previous with no opportunity for rebuttal or clarification. What's left is acceptance, so that you can move on to the next quasi-truism. Eventually, a structure takes shape and you say "wow - there must be something to this!" But those building blocks are a facade, like all cult-speak, where the form IS the content.
eymsirius 1 week ago
@FriendOfTheRepublic How can you drag on a speach for 90 pages
httm241 1 week ago
@walperstyle I think her point is that you cannot eliminate greed. You can however severely limit government to prevent it from being abused by disproportionate greed.
FriendOfTheRepublic 3 weeks ago
Cliffnotes: Eliminate greed everyone
walperstyle 1 month ago
@SandyIsAwesomeSauce I recommend that you read up on Aristotle to understand how Rand got to where she is.
AnubisEye009 1 month ago
@stormgazer418 I agree whole heartedly. As a matter of fact, it should be law. But elites want to limit how many people who actually become aware.
jaguarblack1 1 month ago
@Dinyang
That's just part 1 of 3. In the book, the whole speech is about 90 pages.
deadcrowes19 1 month ago
@SandyIsAwesomeSauce It may seem that way, but that may just be your perception. I'm pretty sure Rand was led by reason, at least for the most part, and not by feelings as your statement implies.
MagisterPridgen 2 months ago
@MagisterPridgen I understand that, but some of the scenes in the book (particularly when Ragnar returns Hank's taxes) made it seem like Rand feels that money is the be-all and end-all for success.
SandyIsAwesomeSauce 2 months ago
IT'S A ONE HOUR SPEECH?
Dinyang 2 months ago
@httm241 I guess it rubs you the wrong way since you think it should be about how amazing you are?
MagisterPridgen 2 months ago
@SandyIsAwesomeSauce This is a strawman. Ayn Rand never wrote that "the only measure of success is money." She also never wrote that there is anything wrong with being generous, only that one is not obligated to be generous and that one should only give if it furthers ones values and is not a sacrifice (=giving up a greater value for a lesser value). As a gift generosity is a selfish act consistent with Objectivism.
MagisterPridgen 2 months ago
Despite being a liberal, I can see many good points of Atlas Shrugged *gasp*. However, one thing I disagree with is the idea that the only measure of success is money, and that being at all generous is giving in to "the looters". There is a sense of moral satisfaction and even a greediness in helping others, even if that means you cannot enter Galt's Gulch.
SandyIsAwesomeSauce 2 months ago
This speech is an anthem to all free people.
barefootbpgirl1 2 months ago
@GeneralArmorus is it just me or is there a scene in every ayn rand book were a character goes on ranting about how AMZING they are
httm241 2 months ago
the whole novel is actually 575 thousand words long, not 650 as Wikipedia says
GeneralArmorus 3 months ago
reading this right now. approx 30 thou words, tough to get thru this part
GeneralArmorus 3 months ago
@stormgazer418 I fully agree.
EBMonseigneur 3 months ago
i loved this book, it really taught through 1000 pages how to stop being the victim. always giving, but never getting back. always feeling guilt-tripped into giving away what i have rightfully earned when the people who i gave it away to did nothing to deserve it, but play on my sympathy. i have a right to happiness, and it shouldn't be restrained or put on hold for someone else. at the end of the day this is MY life, and i have to put myself before anyone else and value my happiness over others
Aatifah 3 months ago
Ah, such an incredible book. I'll admit, this part was tiring to read but WELL worth it and I would do it again in an instant.
TheArbiterOfTruth 3 months ago
@stormgazer418 I see the irony of forcing students to read a book about liberty is lost on you.
MisbehavingMal 3 months ago
@MrBaglehead You're apparently never studied Baptist history. The whole idea of the Anabaptist movement
was independent study of the scripture and independent thought there-in.
cmbbyx 3 months ago