@cambola4 Sorry if I have misunderstood you. If people have decided by themselves what right and wrong is, then right and wrong can be anything they choose. Hitler, for example, decided on his own view of right and wrong for the survival of his people. If the majority decide something, does that mean it is right? If a government decide something, does that mean it is right? I would argue that certain behaviour is right or wrong irrespective of what laws or institutions decide.
@MrJoelPrice1 Your logic is seriously flawed. You have made wild assumptions about what I may think. My view supports that man does not get morality from the violent stories in the bible. Man was around way before the bible and managed to live with other men (albeit with wars). By living in communities man got to know what was right and wrong for the survival of the tribe. Toda we have secular institutions like the legal system and welfare state helping us live together. Nothing to do with "god'
It is important to never judge a view by its abuse. Jesus spoke against violence. It is also interesting that your comments presuppose that objective moral values exist. If there is no such thing as right and wrong (no moral law), any argument is worthless (people can make up their own understanding of what is right). However, your view seems to assume that there is a moral law. A moral law points to there being a moral law giver. This supports the existence of God.
"God's gift of peace"? You must be joking. Peace from the vengeful, war-mongering god of the old testament who apparently encouraged the slaying of thousands of people? We've really got to get over these medieval superstitions. Peace from the church which sees innocent people killed in fights between protestants and catholics? Peace from the god whose religious followers are to blame for 90% of this world's wars and violence?
@cambola4 Sorry if I have misunderstood you. If people have decided by themselves what right and wrong is, then right and wrong can be anything they choose. Hitler, for example, decided on his own view of right and wrong for the survival of his people. If the majority decide something, does that mean it is right? If a government decide something, does that mean it is right? I would argue that certain behaviour is right or wrong irrespective of what laws or institutions decide.
MrJoelPrice1 1 year ago
@MrJoelPrice1 Your logic is seriously flawed. You have made wild assumptions about what I may think. My view supports that man does not get morality from the violent stories in the bible. Man was around way before the bible and managed to live with other men (albeit with wars). By living in communities man got to know what was right and wrong for the survival of the tribe. Toda we have secular institutions like the legal system and welfare state helping us live together. Nothing to do with "god'
cambola4 1 year ago
It is important to never judge a view by its abuse. Jesus spoke against violence. It is also interesting that your comments presuppose that objective moral values exist. If there is no such thing as right and wrong (no moral law), any argument is worthless (people can make up their own understanding of what is right). However, your view seems to assume that there is a moral law. A moral law points to there being a moral law giver. This supports the existence of God.
MrJoelPrice1 1 year ago
"God's gift of peace"? You must be joking. Peace from the vengeful, war-mongering god of the old testament who apparently encouraged the slaying of thousands of people? We've really got to get over these medieval superstitions. Peace from the church which sees innocent people killed in fights between protestants and catholics? Peace from the god whose religious followers are to blame for 90% of this world's wars and violence?
cambola4 1 year ago