Roman Catholic Doctrine of the Virgin Mary Debate Part 9 - Dr. James White

"Is the Roman Catholic doctrine of the Virgin Mary Biblical or not?" The Debaters: James White, Th.D., is director of ministries for Alpha & Omega Ministries, a Christian apologetics organization based in Phoenix, Arizona, & an adjunct professor with Golden Gate Baptist Theological Seminary's Arizona campus. He is also professor of apologetics with Columbia Evangelical Seminary, and a critical consultant for the Lockman Foundation on the New American Standard Bible update. James is a published author of many books including "Mary - Another Redeemer?" published by Bethany House Publishers. Robert Fastiggi, Ph.D. is professor of religious studies at Saint Edward's University in Austin, Texas. He is a published author & a Roman Catholic apologist. Mark Gunning is the moderator.

In his celebration of the Marian Year in Rome in 1950, Pope Pius XII accurately reflected the Roman Catholic Church's view of the Virgin Mary in his pontifical prayer: "Enraptured by the splendor of your heavenly beauty and impelled by the anxieties of the world, we cast ourselves into your arms, Oh Immaculate Mother of Jesus and our Mother. Mary ... we adore and praise the peerless richness of the sublime gifts with which God has lifted you above every other mere creature, from the moment of your conception until the day on which after your assumption into heaven, He crowned you Queen of the Universe. Oh crystal fountain of faith, bathe our minds with the eternal truths. Oh fragrant lily of all holiness, captivate our hearts with your heavenly perfume. Oh Conqueress of evil and death ... Receive, Oh sweet Mother, our humble supplications and above all, obtain for us that on that day, happy with you, we may repeat before your throne that hymn which is sung today around your altars. You are all beautiful Oh Mary. You are Glory, you are the Joy, you are the Honor of our people."

The Roman Church has elevated the Virgin Mary according to the following declarations:
1. Mary is the "Mother of God"
2. Mary had an "Immaculate Conception"
3. Mary has "Perpetual Virginity"
4. Mary is the "Co-Redemptrix & Mediatrix of All Graces"
5. Mary experienced "Assumption into Heaven"
6. Mary is the "Queen of Heaven"

Deuteronomy 5:7-9 states, "Thou shalt have none other gods before Me. Thou shalt not make thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the waters beneath the earth. Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the Lord am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate Me."

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[xchampx]

@sksman71 Can you tell me how you can justify this? Read galatians. Jesus + anything (including mary) = No gospel at all.

[sksman71]

I believe James white was better prepared in this debate.I would say that Mary did have an active role in redemption.Trough the guile of eve Adam was deceived and humanity was lost.Trough Mary we would be redeemed from the new Adam who is Christ Jesus.It was Marys "Yes" Vs. Eves "No" this is the difference but Christ alone is our redemption but with out Marys obedience our lord and savior could not be borne.

[Cherubaby]

There is NO Mediator between YOU and JESUS. If there is, then the Son of GOD died in Vain.

[reubenravidass]

@happybozy101768 what i was saying that angels has a tendency to sin or obey God. But not so with God he has no tendency to sin he has no free will in this sense because he his righteous and holy all thru eternity. The reason why we are made perfect in heaven is because of the blood of the LAMB and because of jesus glory.

[reubenravidass]

@happybozy101768 so the title blessed is used for mary so what??? have u not read the beatitudes it says blessed are those who hunger and thrist for righteoness for they shall be filled and so forth. ya elizabeth greeted mary like that because the unseen God of the universe for the 1st time in ion of ions of time is coming to his creation in a human body even the heaveanly hosts came to worship jesus probably the entire heavens was desserted to see jesus the KING

[reubenravidass]

@happybozy101768 excuse me i keep quotating u from fatima's apparations she says if my immaculate heart will triumph all russian will be converted because only i (MARY) can help u. she says that only she can appease the anger of her son that is a words of a goddess not mary of the bible. hebrews 4:16 says let us come bodly to the throne of grace that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help in time of need.

[reubenravidass]

@happybozy101768 ya God never corrected ENOCH,NOAH,ELISHA ,DANIEL DOES IT MEAN THAT THEY WERE SINLESS??? WHEN SCRIPTURE SAYS ALL HAVE SINNED AND FALLED SORT OF THE GLORY OF GOD INCLUDING MARY. WHAT SCRIPTURE SAYS is 100%HOLINESS AND 100% RIGHTEOUSNESS THAT IS JESUS ALONE. scripture says that jesus was without sins.

[reubenravidass]

@happybozy101768 no where in scriptures says that mary was sinless that is the teaching of the papacy. i don't care if many people don't believe that jesus is God i only care what the scriptures says. 1john 1 says in the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God. in isisah 9:6 says he shall be called mighty God, everlasting father, prince of peace. in titus 2:13 says the great God and saviour jesus christ. for me scripture is everthing not what the popes teach.

[happybozy101768]

@reubenravidass It has been one of the greatest mysteries....the Holy Trinity, the virginal birth of Christ, the Immaculate Conception, and so forth.

Though Mary is believed to be sinless, though a human creature of God, it would be her pride, not humility, if she didn't praise and worship God. She was a perfect humble creature with no pride. Pride is a sin, so if she didn't pray or worship God, though being sinless, she'd sin through pride. That would be less logical then.

[happybozy101768]

@reubenravidass I can't say that I'm sinless because I know that I have come into the world stained with original sin. Through baptism, I receive sanctifying grace, but...I can still choose to listen or disobey God. I am weak. Mary...she's different. She was not born in sin. Her parents were, but she wasn't.

Well, many didn't believe that Jesus was God because he came from a human mother and foster father of Joseph. Through God, all things are possible!