Re: We are in the End Times Part Two

Part 3 of 7 series on the Seven Signs of an imminent "first century" return of Christ. Jesus and the apostles words are misconstrued to teach a modern day endtime with no biblical support./ http://allthingsfulfilled.com

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[AllThingsFulfilled]

Humorous indeed! You know, Hal Lindsey, Harold Camping and Edgar Whisenant all believed it was going to happen in the 21st century. Others before them believed it would happen in the 19th century. If you are old enough you were probably saying the same thing just over 10 years ago about Y2K. Now that that time is gone, you claim the 21st century. Look up "generation" in Matt. 12:38-40; 23:36, & tell me if you believe it to be the 21st century when Jesus died or destroyed Jerusalem?

[AllThingsFulfilled]

I can see that you have an 'eye" problem. Read Ephesians 1:18, and you will note that your "hope" must be seen with the "eyes of understanding." Then read Hebrews 12:22-23, to see where the saints had come to Mt. Zion, the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, -wherein is the tree of life). And yes, it is well documented in the N.T. and in part by secular history. Christ did not come to save man from his humanity, but he did come to put away "the sin" under which Adam fell in Eden.

[neuralecho]

How could the scriptures be preached to "All the World" in the first century AD when the Americas, Australia, New Zealand and various other island nations had not yet been discovered?

[AllThingsFulfilled]

Here's how: And it came to pass in those days that a decree went out from Caesar Augustus that "all the world" should be registered. This census first took place while Quirinius was governing Syria. (Luke 2:1,2). "World" in the text is translated from a term which means the inhabited earth, particularly the Roman empire. See Romans 10:18; Col. 2:5,6, 23; Rom. 16:26. Further Jesus promised it would happen before the first century generation passed, Matt. 24:34.

[pendilem]

People seem to be mixed up about Jesus' second coming, well...let this help us understand..Jesus did not make a second coming. what happened was the apostles LORD-GOD made a second appearing for their bodily change upon seeing him in the air, which they were to be caught up in , to be with him, "there" NOT with him on the physical earth. Their LORD-GOD (Jesus) had made his first century "appearing" at the end of the age (covenant) just as he had appeared in the beginning of the Mosaic covenant.

[pendilem]

Also, when the bible mentions the last days, and END ...it's always referring to the END of the very covenant Jesus had slain on the cross. the old Mosaic covenant. They all knew they were living in the last days of that covenant and waited for the visible sign to the world it was coming to its END with the Collapse of that covenants' Temple and Prissthood. Jesus being both NOW the permanent Temple not made with hands and as eternal Priest of GOD after Order of Melchesidec NOT order of Jews.

[pendilem]

i'm fairly new with the discovery of Preterism...and I just want to comment on what I believe Jesus meant when he said ...Go and make disciples of all nations"" . I believe in context he was saying they should not be limiitting the Gospel of (bad news - for that is what the future held - with War coming ; "the wrath of God") to just the ears of Hebrews, but should be preached to "every National" as in every one who is of other national origins. Not litterally to go to every nation under the sun

[coper11]

Sure, I can say blind. If you'll look ahead that's the one leading you. You know, if the blind lead the blind both fall into the ditch! You must have swallowed the futurist science fiction story for so long you can't see the proper context of the 'last days' and 'the end' of the Old Covenant age. Preterism will get ya out of that ditch.

[raw5069]

wow all things ? can you say blind, i see you got alot of Bible all mixed up there ...not much time left now for you to get that mess cleaned up woe , woe , woe unto thee...there shall be weeping and Ghashing of teeth, repent, while it is yet day ! your pride has blinded you, pride comes before the fall , wake up your teaching lies, the beam in your eyes, remove it if you can, your Lamp is empty, without oil , your wick is burned up ! repent and give Jesus Christ the Glory !

[PineMartinAmerican]

Imagine being so simple minded you believe that an ancient Roman execution would result in a zombie demi-god that, like Osiris , keep an the ancient, paranoid God of an obscure tribe in the Mideast from taking his anger out on the human race because we are not the way this ancient Middle Eastern god things we should be like. God, to the Christians, is a senile delinquent, who, like an old man in a nursing home, makes a puzzle and becomes angry when all the pieces don't fit together.

[fractalbeliever]

@coper11 In Isaiah 13, GOD is speaking, Isaiah is writing. So if I understand you correctly, God (and HIS SON) are predisposed to gross exaggeration, and making prophetic statements that they have NO intention of fulfilling. Right?

Also, your comparison of verse 7 has no logical legs (e.g. the word "melt" reduces an entire passage of scripture into "hyperbolic language"?). Tails didn't wag dogs in Isaiah's time, and they still don't today. Either way, it has no probabitve value for verse 10.

[coper11]

@fractalbeliever Once you understand Is. 13 you can apply that understanding to Mt. 24:29 and see that Jesus was speaking of the destruction of another nation: Old Covenant Israel! Also, the Revelation speaks of "the great city that symbolically is called Sodom and Egypt, where their Lord was crucified" (11:8), and "Mystery Babylon" (17:5), both of which refer to first century Jerusalem!

[coper11]

@fractalbeliever You are still missing the context of Isaiah's prophecy. Yes, Is.13:1 IS describing "what he saw." He saw the destruction of Babylon at the hands of the Medes (v. 17), and the time of the destruction was NEAR (vv. 6& 22)! So, since that's the focus of the entire passage, the language is clearly figurative. Did "every human heart" literally "melt" in Babylon (v. 7)? No! Again: figurative, hyperbolic language!

[fractalbeliever]

The context of Isaiah 13 is stated specifically in verse 1 (e.g. WHAT HE SAW) and generally in II Peter 1:20-21. Isaiah WAS NOT speaking of prophetic events as would a modern day psychic, whose prose would be in the 1st-person point of view. He was only a passive narrator of what GOD REVEALED.

According to II Peter, prophecy is written from the 3rd-person objective. Therefore any assertion that passages (e.g. "sun and moon darkened") are cultural/poetic narratives is biblically inconsistent.