Servetus, Calvin, Socinus, and the Spread of Unitarianism

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• Servetus
• John
• Calvin
• Socinus
• Calvinism
• Unitarianism
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• Jefferon
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[boltingpuppies]

@espunde cont.

was...also God. Since the Word is God, and God is eternal, then the one we know as Jesus (God the Son) is eternal God. Again, this was something I discovered just reading through His word (Psalm 2:7, Acts 13:33, Hebrews 1:5) and was surprised. Jesus is DEFINITELY the eternal God, YHVH, come in the flesh. So many people don't believe that :( I'm glad you do. Jesus bless.

[boltingpuppies]

@espunde cont..

until...I came across some scriptures where God says 'today you have become my Son, today I have begotten you'. The word 'today' denotes time, and the Son 'became' the son at a point called 'today'. This means there was a time when God the Word had not yet 'become' the Son. This doesn't mean He didn't exist. John 1 does say in the beginning was the Word ---the Word 'became' flesh and dwelt 'as' the only 'begotten Son'. Clearly the Word existed from the beginning and was>

[boltingpuppies]

@espunde Ahhh. Thank you for the explanation of Arianism. I had no idea. As for Servetus, he did believe that Christ pre-existed, but he believed Christ was the "Word" when He pre-existed. I tend to agree with that per John 1 saying in the beginning was the Word (God) and the Word 'became' flesh and dwelt among us 'as' the only 'begotten Son'. I personally had always considered Jesus to be the 'eternal Son' and thought that belief that he did not always exist 'AS' the son to be heresy until>

[espunde]

@espunde bolting not bolying, anyhow

[espunde]

bolyingpuppies- It would also behoove you to cite where you are getting these quotes from, both Calvin and Servetus, even a secondary source and its bibliography.

[espunde]

@boltingpuppies An Arian can agree with with most if not all of those sentiments; the problem is that an Arian, if pressed, will say that there was a time when Christ, God the Son, was unbegotten, that he began to exist and then created all (other) things. The Nicene Creed, particularly the one used by the Western Churches, is an thorough rebuttal of that ancient heresy. It is not so much a matter of what a man says, but what he leaves unsaid.

[boltingpuppies]

@espunde I agree with this particular statement you share.

[boltingpuppies]

@espunde I don't know what Arianism is but I believe what Servetus just said i*n this statement* which is:

1) Jesus is a man (meaning the human son of man through the seed of Mary).

2) Jesus is the son of God (meaning the Son of YHVH God through being begotten of God the Father).

3) Jesus is God (Jesus is YHVH God).

Jesus was fully human and fully God at the same time.

[espunde]

@wordwarrior007 If the Trinity is Romanism than God help me; I believe very much in Reformed Catholicity, in spiritual union with fellow brothers in Christ (Lutherans et al.) both living in dead, in short as the Apostles' Creed says, I believe in One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church

[espunde]

@boltingpuppies From the Definition of the Council of Chalcedon, "one and the same Christ, Son, Lord, Only-begotten, recognized in two natures, without confusion, without change, without division, without separation;"