Extended version analysing the FRAUD of History Channel's presentation of the issues surrounding WTC7's collapse.
"We were surprised that the building [WTC7] collapsed, we being the team that investigated what occurred on that day. There was some damage to the Tower 7 caused by debris that hit it from Tower 1 but the damage was certainly not similar in scope or magnitude to that caused by the aircrafts hitting Towers 1 and 2. Normally when you have a structural failure you carefully go through the debris field looking at each item, photographing every beam as it collapsed and every column where it is on the ground and you pick them up very carefully and you look at each element. We were unable to do that in the case of Tower 7".
[Jonathan Barnett, PhD. Fire Protection Engineer charged with investigation of WTC7-collapse debris-field.]
Cited from video testimony seen here:
Also note:
[Dear Prof. Barnett,
I came across the following comment made by you to James Glanz of the New York Times of November 29, 2001, regarding the collapse of WTC 7 on September 11, 2001:
"A combination of an uncontrolled fire and the structural damage might have been able to bring the building down, some engineers said. But that would not explain steel members in the debris pile that appear to
have been partly evaporated in extraordinarily high temperatures, Dr.
Barnett said."]
http://www.aldeilis.net/english/index...
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Dr. Jonathan R. Barnett is a Professor at Worcester Polytechnic Institute (WPI). He holds appointments in Fire Protection engineering and mechanical engineering and is the co-Director and co-founder of the
WPI Melbourne Project Center. Dr. Barnett received his undergraduate, masters and doctorate from Worcester Polytechnic Institute. He is a fellow of the Society of Fire Protection Engineers (SFPE) and a member of the American Society of Civil Engineers, American Society of Mechanical Engineers, the National Fire Protection Association, the American Society of Testing and Materials Committee E-5, and the
International Association of Fire Safety Science. He has held appointments as the Editor of the SFPE Journal of Fire Protection Engineering, President of the New England Chapter of the SFPE and Chair
of the American Society of Civil Engineers Committee on Fire Protection.
His work and research in fire protection engineering is extensive, including most recently his participation in the Building Performance Assessment Team organized by the American Society of Civil Engineers for the Federal Emergency Management Agency to investigate the collapse of the World Trade Center Towers after the terrorist attacks of
September 11, 2001.
His current research centers on the mathematical modeling and computer
simulation of fires in buildings, ships and transit systems with an emphasis on heat transfer in structures and the use of computers in fire investigation and fire reconstruction. Recently he has developed a
prototype garment flammability test for the U.S. Navy Clothing and Textile Research Facility. (less)
yada yada yada, try to correct wiki, if you believe there is a mistake.
I am sure they will respect your opinion as much as I do,
Merlin5by5 8 months ago
@Merlin5by5
WHY are you copying stuff from Wikipedia that has NOTHING to do with the discussion? You made a mistake copying: you wrote SO2-4 which is wrong. It is SO4 with a -2 charge, not SO2 with a -4 charge. You are REALLY on a tilt...
Skeptic121 8 months ago
@Skeptic121
Quote
"The sulfate ion is a polyatomic anion with the empirical formula SO2− 4 and a molecular mass of 96.06 daltons (96.06 g/mol); it consists of a central sulfur atom surrounded by four equivalent oxygen atoms in a tetrahedral arrangement. The symmetry is very similar to that of methane, CH4."
wiki pedia dot org / wiki / Sulfate
You are still never looking shit up. tsk tsk tsk
Merlin5by5 8 months ago
@Skeptic121
SULFATE is actually the oxygen heavy fuel and oxydizer combination.
SULFIDES are the post burned element.
TRY again.
Merlin5by5 8 months ago
@Merlin5by5
Drywall is NOT sulfur, the yellow stuff. The yellow stuff is elemental, or ground state, sulfur. DRYWALL is calcium SULFATE. Sulfate is sulfur that is ALREADY oxidized; already burned in other words. So...in a fire sulfate STAYS sulfate. It will NOT become sulfur or sulfide. Sulfide is REDUCED sulfur; REDUCED is the opposite of oxidized.
Poker players can see that you have had a "bad beat" and are now on a "tilt". Get a hold of yourself, little girl.
Skeptic121 8 months ago
By the way, if you go to the wiki page on Sulfur, you can SEE sulfur on fire,
and producing it's characteristic "blue flame" that's been noted since the
1400s. It was used in Gunpowder, matches, and alchemy since then also.
SO, you should wake up your "any chemist", and tell him he don't know
shit from shinola.
Merlin5by5 8 months ago
@Skeptic121
By the way, since its OBVIOUS you don't know CRAP about chemistry,
the 2% of sulfur in thermate doesn't get deposited on anything it burns near.
SO, your fantasy about thermate is physically impossible.
Sulfur burns into Sulfur oxide, sulfur Dioxide, and works in thermate by oxydizing
the metals at lower temps. Oxydizing is tantamount to burning, and helps get the
thermitic process started at lower temps.
SO, you seem to be totally full of shit, don't you?
Merlin5by5 8 months ago
@Skeptic121
The composition by weight of Thermate-TH3 (in military use) is 68.7% thermite, 29.0% barium nitrate, 2.0% sulfur and 0.3% binder (such as PBAN). (Source: Wiki)
Did you NOTICE the 29% versus the 2%? Hmmmm..?
Thermate relies on the Barium Nitrate to burn hotter, all the
2% Sulfur does is lower the ignition point.
SO, you manage to be totally, deliberately wrong about that also
Merlin5by5 8 months ago
@Merlin5by5 Barium (or other) nitrate helps thermate ignite but is not necessary for the reaction; thermate will burn just fine without it once ignited. Any chemist can explain why we do not get sulfur (the yellow stuff) or sulfide from sulfate in a fire. It is called "oxidation state" . BTW, do you play poker (having served in the military)? Does Barnett have a "tell" or what? I'm sure he is a fine scientist and engineer but he has a terrible poker face; we can read him like a book.
Skeptic121 8 months ago
@Skeptic121
LMAO, Did you even know that for every ounce of SULFUR in Thermate, there is SIX TIMES more Barium Nitrate? How come we can find SULFUR, which can come from many sources in ANY building, Drywall, being one, but we can't find the TONS AND TONS of Barium Nitrate that would have outweighed the SULFUR in the fantasy thermate?
Merlin5by5 8 months ago