Lourdes - Miraculous Facts

Lourdes the stuff of miracles? Probably not.

On 11 February 1858, a 14-year-old local girl, Bernadette Soubirous, claimed a beautiful lady appeared to her in the remote Grotto of Massabielle. The lady later identified herself as "the Immaculate Conception" and the faithful believe her to be the 'Virgin' Mary. The lady appeared 18 times, and by 1859 thousands of pilgrims were visiting Lourdes. A statue of 'Our Lady of Lourdes' was erected at the site in 1864. See Our Lady of Lourdes for more details on the apparitions.

Since the apparitions, Lourdes has become one of the world's leading Catholic Marian shrines and the number of visitors grows each year. It has become such an important place within the Roman Catholic church that Pope John Paul II visited the shrine twice on 15 August 1983 and 14-15 August 2004. In 2007, Pope Benedict XVI authorized special indulgences to mark the 150th anniversary of 'Our Lady of Lourdes.'

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[itsonlyweeme]

Not everyone who is cured report back to lourdes. A girl of 14 I know who had cancer went to Lourdes and got cured. Doctors had no explaination only that it was miraculous. For those who believe no explaination is possible and for those woh are atheist no explanation is possible.I guess you'll be heading where Dawkins is heading. DOWN!

[MilitantScience]

Can you post evidence for your claims?

Didn't think so.

[latinflava05]

In the Catholic Church, they are very careful about who got healed. Usually in the Miracles of Lourdes. The Church only claimed about 63 "Qualified" healings even though many people claim to be healed.

People who claim to be healed, the Catholic Church asked that they go see a doctor or physician if the healing that occured is "Authentic".

The Church is very careful about it because it has to be scientific proven. This video is such a waste of time.

[MilitantScience]

Well I'm afraid the numbers don't make much of an impression on me - not at all.

Compare them to the numbers who visit Lourdes every year, in search of a miracle, and you don't have very much at all. Is your God refusing to heal these poor people? Or is he simply not there?

I'd love to know what these so called miracles were. I'd hedge a bet that they don't involve the miraculous re-growing of severed limbs; or anything else that could have happened without a so-called miracle.

[MilitantScience]

Oh, and please don't threaten me with violence via rather unlettered personal messages.

1. You'll never find me.

2. I will forward them both to youtube if you do so again.

and

3. So much for Christian love, huh?

[burkewhb]

There has been no evidence of a severed leg growing back, but several women

with advanced lupus, had a practically missing mouth and nose come back and

were cured of a disease more horrible that leprosy.

[botwindfish]

By the way, if any knowledgeable Catholic thinks I'm mistaken about transubstantiation, please enlighten me. I would hate to be wrong about something so important.

[botwindfish]

...I think the most recent case was in '03, but I have to research it to be more definitive.

Sincerely, friend, regarding the events at Fatima, the evidence is beyond reproach and should be enough to convert anyone who is not unreasonably committed to a certain point of view. If you want to discuss it, I invite you to PM me.

[botwindfish]

@RomansPwnedJesus The truth is more nuanced, friend. The bread and wine become the Real Presence of Jesus Christ ontologically, but the properties of bread and wine remain. The essence of their being is transformed, yes, but what is physically consumed remains the bread and wine. At the Last Supper, Jesus Christ did not hand out pieces of his flesh to his disciples.

Interestingly, though, there are dozens upon dozens of cases in which the Blessed Sacrament DID transform to flesh and blood...

[RomansPwnedJesus]

@botwindfish "lol, that's not what Catholics believe about the Blessed Sacrament."

"The festival proclaims the truth of the transubstantiation of bread and wine into the actual body of Christ during Mass." - The Feast of Corpus Christi - Walk with Christ and Celebrate, The Sydney Archdiocese website, 7 June 2010.

You seem to be lying for Jesus.

[botwindfish]

Oh, I forgot to mention, there are actually many cases where organs regenerated, so he's wrong on that.

[botwindfish]

@RomansPwnedJesus Oh, you're also clearly uninformed on the incorruptible body of Saint Bernadette.

[botwindfish]

@RomansPwnedJesus I only have so many characters to respond to you, so I'm sure you understand if I cannot go into depth on this. However, your statements simply do not square with the evidence. The evidence indisputably points to the veracity of the events at Fatima and, therefore, the truth of Christianity.

lol, that's not what Catholics believe about the Blessed Sacrament.

[RomansPwnedJesus]

@botwindfish What's so miraculous about superstitious people staring at the sun and seeing weird things? You're not supposed to stare at the sun. Meteorological phenomenon like parhelions are not miraculous.

I'm not very impressed with the "incorruptible" body of Saint Bernadette. Her body is on display with a WAX face mask and wax hands.

I'm rather skeptical of the scientific literacy of a group of people who believe a piece of bread literally turns into a person's flesh. hmm cannibalism!

[botwindfish]

@RomansPwnedJesus Of course there are "scientific explanations." None of them fit the evidence, which is absolutely clear.