@dljc1979 Soviet Union communism and Chinese communism in the early days were an unmitigated disaster. I think we are in agreement on that. Current Chinese communism is a hybrid mixture of capitalism and communism. I think it still has a lot of problems, but they also must at least be doing something right because since 1970 or 1980 when our GDP growth rate dropped by about a third permanently, China has experienced a growth rate that we last saw 1933 - 1942 during the New Deal.
@sfjeff1089 | agreed, off topic but of course i am in agreement, their corrupt capitalism is a false-front tool of the same shit that drives communism, the people operating this crap call it communism!!!!!!!!! IT'S COMMUNISM!!!!!!!!! whatever... you've got the good stuff, i shouldn't be argueing with you.
@dljc1979 (continued) I use professional football as an analogy. If football followed communist ideologies, you would probably get above average players, but you would not get the best of the best because they would not fully develop in the first place.
If football followed Ron Paul-style libertarian ideologies, you would have the best of the best players, but you would fire all the referees because they are nothing but bureaucratic red tape that does nothing but get in the way of efficiency.
@dljc1979 Communism and "free market capitalism" are merely the evil ends of a continuous spectrum. I put capitalism in quotes because I don't want to debate whether free market capitalism is a type of capitalism or not. Both ends of the spectrum cause human suffering whenever they are implemented purely. The only successful economic system is a moderate one in which various interests are restrained from taking over and approaches are applied pragmatically.
@sfjeff1089 | no just forms of it that have false fronts to hide the fact that it is coummunism and originates from communism and from what communism itself originated from, who knows how ancient their method truely is...
@sfjeff1089 | er... yeah... the fact that it is exists is a disaster in and of itself.
dljc1979 1 month ago
@sfjeff1089 anyway, you are probably right that we agree more than we disagree here.
sfjeff1089 1 month ago
@dljc1979 Soviet Union communism and Chinese communism in the early days were an unmitigated disaster. I think we are in agreement on that. Current Chinese communism is a hybrid mixture of capitalism and communism. I think it still has a lot of problems, but they also must at least be doing something right because since 1970 or 1980 when our GDP growth rate dropped by about a third permanently, China has experienced a growth rate that we last saw 1933 - 1942 during the New Deal.
sfjeff1089 1 month ago
@sfjeff1089 | agreed, off topic but of course i am in agreement, their corrupt capitalism is a false-front tool of the same shit that drives communism, the people operating this crap call it communism!!!!!!!!! IT'S COMMUNISM!!!!!!!!! whatever... you've got the good stuff, i shouldn't be argueing with you.
dljc1979 1 month ago
@dljc1979 (continued) I use professional football as an analogy. If football followed communist ideologies, you would probably get above average players, but you would not get the best of the best because they would not fully develop in the first place.
If football followed Ron Paul-style libertarian ideologies, you would have the best of the best players, but you would fire all the referees because they are nothing but bureaucratic red tape that does nothing but get in the way of efficiency.
sfjeff1089 1 month ago
@dljc1979 Communism and "free market capitalism" are merely the evil ends of a continuous spectrum. I put capitalism in quotes because I don't want to debate whether free market capitalism is a type of capitalism or not. Both ends of the spectrum cause human suffering whenever they are implemented purely. The only successful economic system is a moderate one in which various interests are restrained from taking over and approaches are applied pragmatically.
sfjeff1089 1 month ago
@sfjeff1089 | no just forms of it that have false fronts to hide the fact that it is coummunism and originates from communism and from what communism itself originated from, who knows how ancient their method truely is...
dljc1979 1 month ago
Don't mention communism. That destroys credibility. If there is a new world order, it is not striving to create communism.
sfjeff1089 1 month ago