Wittgenstein: Philosophical discussion in Cambridge - Part 3

Wittgenstein explains his philosophical development from the 'Tractatus' to the 'Philosophical Investigations', asked by J.M. Keynes, the famous british economist. All from the movie of D. Jarman (1989).

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• philosophy
• linguistics
• wittgenstein
• tractatus
• descartes
• investigations
• philosophie
• language
• sprachphilosophie

[JesterGren]

@PHiSTER91 Yes, and the job of philosophy is to arrange the way we think of those things by the way of thought and communication through language games.

[JesterGren]

@totoaklan In a way; every thought has biological backing and can be described in multiple ways. You don't have to look much harder to find the language game behind it.

[PHiSTER91]

I'm just a high school drop-out, so please don't be so critical about my level intelligence. I just want to know if I got the idea right; The thought manifest into words, and words manifests into action; Language exists because of our need to express and communicate, and everything exist on a certain level, that is why there are words to express it? Language is just a means of expression, and even without a word for such thing as a BOULDER, it can still exist and a pie can still smell delicious?

[Kongelonge2]

@fivemeomedia

Quite another thing is that I dont have the answers, but the theory you are presupposing i find wrongheaded. I think that the metaphysics of "words" that you need arent tenable. I cannot get to understand why you think that words is de facto neccesary for understanding one self and the other. The "word" pain and the pain are not the same thing. And the total understanding through words is an illusion, you can properly relate, but understand me in the strong sense - no!

[Kongelonge2]

@fivemeomedia

If you think that the idea of pain and the word "pain" are the same or that the Idea only is understandable if the "word" is available, I disagree with you. Do you think that the word comes beforehand - It would be something like every time we find (quite randomly, a new word, we get to know something new about our self and one another. Next, you seem to think that communication is all about words, again, I disagree. If you think you understand/perceive my pain I disagree again.

[fivemeomedia]

@Kongelonge2 how would you know you're feeling "pain" if you have know idea what pain is? because the word doesnt exist how would a perceiving being be able to percieve you're "pain" how would you be able to define what you are feeling? it would be impossible to know something you dont know

[Kongelonge2]

@fivemeomedia

My mistake, the comment where meant for @workingclasssociety. I dont know whether to disagree or not. My analysis where on another subject. 1. It is given directly, and only to me. 2. It is a brute fact that i cannot be mistaken about, whether or not i call it by the name pain.

I will not go into a discussion on the status of the word 'pain' im to perplex on that subject. Im aware of the argument from Wittgenstein (language games). Im dansih if you are wondering about my spelling

[fivemeomedia]

@Kongelonge2 yes but if the word pain never existed i would never know what you're talking about thus making it none existent to me

[Kongelonge2]

This is an absurd attitude. You are presupposing that language comes before thoughts. Look into yourself and try again. The pain wont go away eventhough you abolish the word.

[ganondorf59]

Wittgenstein is extremely logical. I adress the same language issues in my book. One simply understands this and lives it, there is no other way.