@SlayerPDX I suggest that it is you who has missed the point, since your scattered and misspelled opinions here seem to express a similar opinion to my own - the state ought to leave seat belts as a matter of personal choice rather than law. Stop protecting us from ourselves. I wear a seat belt because I don't want to die. If someone else doesn't make that same choice, too bad for them.
As your comment above states: stop wasting money on commercials. That was my point - who's dumb?
@hydra513 Yeh you can be sure that "seatbelt checks" are a justification to pull people over to try and catch them doing something else... I guess they call that probable cause.
In any case, I found out that if you contest a seatbelt violation (at least in WA state), the "preponderance of evidence" stands behind the cop. That is, just like much else these days, you are guilty unless you can prove yourself innocent. Your word is of lesser value than a cop's, even when he has no other evidence.
@SlayerPDX -yeh- a $195 "mitigated" fine for not wearing my seatbelt twice seems a bit exorbitant... sounds backwards, but yeh, it makes me want to wear it less. Call it civil disobedience. The argument I usually get from people trying to justify the law is that MY not wearing a seatbelt makes THEIR insurance premium rise. (Insurance: something else which should also be strictly voluntary.)
Subtract my fines from the Socialist Security Insurance payments I'll never see, right?
@igorvasy NO its YOUR own job to protect yourself. Wearing a seatbelt has no affect on anyone but yourself so it is a pointless law and cops should be worring about other shit.
@shawndeweerd Hes not talkin about the fact he has to wear a seatbelt you dumb fuck he's talking about how michigan is in such a bad economic state with budget issues and we get a commerical that probably cost 90,000 to make telling us something we already know... Jerk
@bnomad77 What bugs me even more is that it shouldn't even be a law the only thing you would be hurting would be yourself and no one else for not wearing a seatbelt. Its just as bad as the friend of the court taking money from a CS check and then holding it for six months to collect interest instead of them giving it to the family that fuckin needs it.
@SlayerPDX I suggest that it is you who has missed the point, since your scattered and misspelled opinions here seem to express a similar opinion to my own - the state ought to leave seat belts as a matter of personal choice rather than law. Stop protecting us from ourselves. I wear a seat belt because I don't want to die. If someone else doesn't make that same choice, too bad for them.
As your comment above states: stop wasting money on commercials. That was my point - who's dumb?
dhsn28 1 year ago
@hydra513 Yeh you can be sure that "seatbelt checks" are a justification to pull people over to try and catch them doing something else... I guess they call that probable cause.
In any case, I found out that if you contest a seatbelt violation (at least in WA state), the "preponderance of evidence" stands behind the cop. That is, just like much else these days, you are guilty unless you can prove yourself innocent. Your word is of lesser value than a cop's, even when he has no other evidence.
bnomad77 1 year ago
@SlayerPDX -yeh- a $195 "mitigated" fine for not wearing my seatbelt twice seems a bit exorbitant... sounds backwards, but yeh, it makes me want to wear it less. Call it civil disobedience. The argument I usually get from people trying to justify the law is that MY not wearing a seatbelt makes THEIR insurance premium rise. (Insurance: something else which should also be strictly voluntary.)
Subtract my fines from the Socialist Security Insurance payments I'll never see, right?
bnomad77 1 year ago
@igorvasy NO its YOUR own job to protect yourself. Wearing a seatbelt has no affect on anyone but yourself so it is a pointless law and cops should be worring about other shit.
SlayerPDX 1 year ago
@SlayerPDX ay poopface, the state's job is to protect us, you poopface.
igorvasy 1 year ago
@shawndeweerd Hes not talkin about the fact he has to wear a seatbelt you dumb fuck he's talking about how michigan is in such a bad economic state with budget issues and we get a commerical that probably cost 90,000 to make telling us something we already know... Jerk
SlayerPDX 1 year ago
@dhsn28 Wow your dumb and completely missing the point.
SlayerPDX 1 year ago
@bnomad77 What bugs me even more is that it shouldn't even be a law the only thing you would be hurting would be yourself and no one else for not wearing a seatbelt. Its just as bad as the friend of the court taking money from a CS check and then holding it for six months to collect interest instead of them giving it to the family that fuckin needs it.
SlayerPDX 1 year ago
I hate your stupid ass seatbelt adds shut the fuck up it makes me want to wear it even less.
SlayerPDX 1 year ago
I hate this SOOOO much!
MrWatt619 1 year ago