Turretinfan vs. LouRugg "The Hardening of Pharaoh's Heart" 4/9

A Calvinist (Turretinfan) versus a non-Calvinist (LouRugg).

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[Haukman66]

Whats up with the sound dropping out?

[DeathRattleShakes]

The debate took place on a chat program called Paltalk, and sometimes the signal cuts out.

[newinchwonder]

The way I read it, God and moses schemed with each other. God manipulated pharaoh, so his hebrew fetish could continue. God of the bible is a wicked plotting psychopath.

[johnpolanco18]

Continued... Lou has to say it was false fear (repentance) because if it was real fear, then he would be drawn to the Lord.... Or to get away from that you have to say that after you repent you still have the possibility of losing it. Well, then those who are drawn by the father depends on you to be raised up.... No, the verses on John 6 that Jesus will rise them up....

[johnpolanco18]

Lou, in the debate with James White, said that to fear the Lord you are guaranteed to come to Christ. In this debate, Lou says that Pharaoh was asking for mercy but then he was proud. Well, 1) If he said that those who feared the Lord will be guaranteed to come to the Jesus,then it follows that they will be raised up with Christ. 2) If Pharaoh feared the Lord, why wasn't he drawn to the Lord Jesus like Lou said will happen.. To be Contiued

[CBALLEN]

"God allows man freedom to love Him and give Him his due respect and reverence"

Can you show me in scripture where this is said ?

. Isa.63:17O LORD, why do you make us wander from your ways and harden our heart, so that we fear you not? .....

[godswordsheal]

@CBALLEN 2.How do Calvinists account for the thousands of years of God chasing after the Israelites while they constantly chase after other Gods? If God is just causing people to obey him why did Jesus die on a cross so that who so ever should believe in him would have everlasting life, if they had no choice in the matter and neither do people who don't choose. The God that does that doesn't make sense to me.

[godswordsheal]

@CBALLEN Sure if you can only see things in black and white. God already deserves credit for everything, how do people who believe that he controls everyone with strings account for why God would decide to make human beings or the earth or anything...did God need to make things for the approval of those created things? God allows man freedom to love Him and give Him his due respect and reverence.

[CBALLEN]

People like Lou ,are really accusing God of taking credit for things He didn't actually do.They claim that God just takes credit for things that man has decided to do and all God does, is see what almighty man will do(by looking down the barrel of time) and then God works His plan around man's decision and then takes credit for causing it! Shame on you people.