Red Army Choir - The Guard Song (Наша гвардия)
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@MrBramthebird He may have been aware, but there was little that could be done about it. Eastern Europe is prone to food shortages, and there have been many, many famines there over the centuries. It was not a desirable situation, but the only way that they could have been saved is if the Soviet government were composed of wizards, capable of conjuring large amounts of relief food. Also, Stalin didn't actually say that. I can't remember exactly who did, but it wasn't Stalin.
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@MisanthropicMarxist [contd.] the famine caused the death by starvation of at least 2.4 million normal citizens. Even if some people claim that the number was 10+ million, you cannot say that 2.4 million innocent,normal people dead is agreeable. If me or you had lived then, we could have died the same.
Stalin's famous quote well summarizes the ruthlessness of the Soviet policy towards these and other atrocities committed under Soviet rule: "One death is a tragedy; one million is a statistic."
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@MisanthropicMarxist read this: en. wikipedia. org/wiki/Holodomor#The_special
_nature_of_famine_in_Ukraine about a summary of passed laws that largely created the famine and: en. wikipedia. org/wiki/Causes_of_the_Holodom or These articles point towards the Soviet government as main suspect for the Ukranian famine. Even if the government had not deliberately planned the famine, they did nothing to aid their starving citizens. Stalin must have been aware of this.
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@MrBramthebird I don't doubt that Wikipedia says otherwise, but there is no evidence for official planning of the Ukranian famine, and the numbers themselves have been inflated by using faulty calculations(the most popular method is to look at population growth rates and measure accordingly, but they fail to take into account the significant social upheaval's effects on the rate of growth). This same tactic is often used on the Soviet Union in general, again without consideration
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@MisanthropicMarxist This may sound stupid, but Wikipedia says otherwise. Pages on people like Stalin are closely moderated and checked accordingly to multiple verifiable and trustworthy sources. Check this out: en . wikipedia. org/ wiki/ Stalin # Calculating_the_number_of_vict
ims This credits him sometimes with even more 'kills' than Hitler (11 million), although I believe that under Mao even more people were killed than both Hitler and Stalin. Gotta check my source on that one, though.
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Good music, but man, am I glad the communist days are over!
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@DarkGreenMenace While I don't deny that Stalin had some unpalatable things done during his tenure, I would argue that there really isn't enough hard evidence to accuse him of the kinds of atrocities which have become synonymous with his name. A great book on the subject (albeit one which is somewhat hard to get your hands on) is "Khrushchev Lied," by Prof. Grover Furr. He exposes the entire de-Stalinization program through evidenciary analysis, and it's worth reading.
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In which country? In any case, those were the result of Stalin, and Stalinism. It's not as if the Russians as a whole were some menace. The echelons of both sides were horrendous, but the Nazi's were far worse in that almost their entire country supported the wars and their causes. The Soviets fought out of defense, and then later Stalin used it to gain the Eastern bloc. No matter how you slice it, saying the Russians were worse than Hitler is not a correct. Stalin? Maybe. The people? No.
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@DarkGreenMenace What about the tens of thousands executed or sent to die in labor camps?
Anyone else recognized this song from Red Orchestra 2?
AssassinSReaPERX 2 months ago 20
0:34 <--- BEST PART
857Evan 3 months ago 7