Computer design via evolutionary algorithms, free radicals, response to Joopq

Joopq raised a common argument, that we are just too complex to have evolved "by chance". That isn't the way it works though.

New Scientist article on evolutionary algorithms:
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg19526146.000-evolutionary-algorithms-no...

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[afielsch]

you are wasting your time.

creationists either know this and willfully ignore it or they dont want to hear it. the only way to expose them efficiently (at least imo) is to debate in a moderated public forum. otherwise you are casting pearls at swine.

[TravisMorien]

@afielsch I don't think there is any way to get through to dyed in the wool fundamentalists, and after reviewing Joopq/unbiased000's other body of work he seems like just some guy with strong opinions based on minimal knowledge, backed up with a conspiracy mindset, so they're unreachable. But there are others who are undecided and uneducated, people who are fair minded enough to consider the evidence when it is presented to them. Scientists have a strong case to make, creationists don't.

[KaOtoko]

"where do you think this colour comes from... shoe polish?"

If I could like this, or give you massive Kudos for this comment I would.

Oh, the declining standards of education nowadays :/

[TravisMorien]

"the existence of MELANIN...something we have yet to actually see exist"

I'm not sure why I am continuing to argue with someone who is clearly a complete idiot, if you want proof that melanin exists look in the freaking mirror! You're a black dude, where do you think this colour comes from... shoe polish?

Melanin is very difficult to extract from human skin in pure form, but it can be synthesised and studied, its UV photoprotection properties measured etc.

[TravisMorien]

"and you have some nerve to expect me to conversate with you like this"

Actually, I no longer expect you to converse with me.

It is clear to me now from your paranoid ravings that scientific facts are not really of much interest to you, since you have a delusion that science is a big conspiracy, the textbooks and published papers all lies, and you just assume any facts you like and the credit lack of evidence to the inherent bias of the system against you.

i.e. you're way too kooky for me.

[TravisMorien]

"knowing that natural plants (which you evidently know nothing about since you FAILED to even try to name one you pussy)"

Sorry, I was stunned by your idiocy.

I'm guessing you mean the wild, uncultivated prehistoric forms of the fruit and veg we grow for food today, as found growing in the wilderness.

Sea Cabbage (Brassica oleracea)

Wild banana (various Musa species)

Wild carrot (Daucus carota)

Indian Wild Orange (Citrus indica)

Asian Wild Apple (Malus sieversii)

[TravisMorien]

If you knew anything at all about horticulture you'd know that hybridisation is where the pollen from one species is used to fertilise another species or variety, resulting in a viable offspring.

Gene splicing is something different, they just take particular gene sequences and put them in usually with viruses.

But where the heck do you get the idea that this creates free radicals? Are you making that shit up or are there others as schmucky as you?

[TravisMorien]

So by your standards an organic tomato or banana would be an "artificial food", and packed full of those nasty free radicals?

Tomatos and bananas are the product of artificial selection via millennia of selective breeding and hybridisation.

So what do you eat? In the typical urban environment there are only so many wild berry bushes and roots to forage for, and they certainly don't sell any plants in their wild form in any shops I know about.

[unbiased000]

a cat and a human can have sex (im sure you know this well) but they cant produce a baby ogether naturally. so it is in the plant kingdom. a rose cant spread its pollen to a venus fly trap and make a rosey fly trap....only HYBRIDIZATION can do that. an ARTIFICIAL process that produces a simple starch to bind the uneven atomic structures of two plants that dont mate with chemical affinity..ok stupid? therefore the uneven amounts of electrons produce a NEW balance of free radicals that are harmful

[unbiased000]

i mean if your only hope to deny the obvious is to try and brand me something that in your small world view is a synonym with wrong...thats pathetic and delusional. look up the concept of chemical affinity in regards to plant life and see how you are wrong about this BASIC idea. for fucks sake llol