- Spot on comments about religion - #1 Tracie Harris on the topic of arguments for god.

The first video in hopefully a lengthy series with spot on comments on religion and apologetics.

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• religion
• god
• bible
• atheist
• experience
• tracie
• harris
• matt
• dillahunty
• creationism
• designed
• universe
• anthropic
• principle
• atheism

[gesres]

Whether something is or is not evidence for God is also an exercise in logic; the "evidence" is merely one of the premises which lead to the conclusion, so Tracie is wrong to say we have to choose between logic and evidence; clearly, we need both. However, even the silliest arguments for God's existence rely to some degree on evidence, but the arguments go awry elsewhere.

[namnack]

@gesres But she never says that. She only pointed out that agreeing on something doesn't spontaneously make things true. We could argue over the content of a closed box till the cows come home, but we need additional facts (evidence) to come to any sort of conclusion that would correspond with the real content of the box. But when the box is simply a notion with no testable properties as part of its premise, it would be asinine to think that there is more to achieve than simply to agree or not.

[namnack]

@gesres In other words, god is the exception to the rule about which you otherwise would have made a valid point: that in the process of gaining evidence, logic is needed to reach a conclusion. The premise of god simply doesn´t allow for this, hence her correct remark.

[namnack]

You better turn that 'if ' into something more tangible for your comment to actually make some sense. Something we both know, you cannot.

Reality doesn't change with anyone's cavalier usage and or interpretation of language; apologists don't pull the faith card just for kicks you know...

You do now.

[mortskaew]

I love Tracie Harris.

[namnack]

@mortskaew I hear she's quite fond of you too.

[s3oodDJ]

Mental masturbation? LOL I love this woman!

[YY4Me133]

@98nafets She didn't say "prove," she said "convince." Her point is that we can be talked into believing of all sorts of things that aren't true. That's why evidence is so important. It's how we discern what's real from what isn't.

[thomasbreeden]

Go trace! Go Tracie!

[DieselDownunder]

@Antlers68 that's correct.....you STILL wouldn't get it

[Antlers68]

@DieselDownunder

If the adult were like you I don't think it would clear anything up.

[TheTexanCanadian]

@98nafets

Her point is that the only way you'd be proving it is with logic, not fact. Even if we agree that your logic is sound, that still doesn't make it a factual argument. And even if we prove that the universe required a creator, there's no way to prove that it was the god of any particular religion.