"Knoxx Recoil Shotgun Stocks Suck" by Nutnfancy

I really wanted to like the Knoxx and we actually tried it in multiple shooting sessions over the last year and half. But despite many rounds fired with an open mind....it still sucks. The Knoxx Recoil Reduction stock, or Blackhawk Spec Ops stock as marketed, has many shortcomings in my estimation. First and foremost it ruins consistency in the art of combat shotgunning, an all-important commodity that allows you to actually hit things with the gun. A shotgun is a high recoil weapon with "high-base" or full-power rounds like 00 Buck or full power slugs. In my experience, that requires a nice low check weld on the stock that is consistent and repeatable, especially when using a simple bead sight (still very effective in most situations and realistic ranges). That results in an effective sighting plane that's fast and solid. This stock should also allow a easily repeatable and solid stock weld as well. Through the recoil of shooting, these "welds" should not change and the should be predictable. The Knoxx stock changes all of those constants and introduces variables in the recoil that sap speed. Like anything else, it's a system that probably could be mastered but other problems nag. The multi-positionable M4-style butt stock can be used effectively on a shotgun but it is fraught with problems if great care is not taken, mainly the variable length of pull will probably be mis-set (Murphy's Law) when you need it most. And that introduces accuracy and speed robbing variation. And then there's the pain: the Knoxx stock can slam your cheek bone hard!. The flare out ridge at the tube portion was found to be a painful reminder that you did not have the stock properly adjusted (too short). And even when it is properly adjusted, cheek smacks with FULL POWER loads can be expected. But it gets worse. To be properly adjusted (for many shooters), the LOP must be increased to uncomfortable lengths. Again speed and accuracy can suffer. Then add in the usual, undulating recoil impulse of the Knoxx stock which transfers recoil more upwards than rewards. It is springy in nature and for me, makes fast shooting much tougher as more time is spent recovering the "wiggling" gun. It can also lead to short stroking the pump gun as well in our experience (the straight-back recoil impulse is lost and in many guns that aids unlocks and ejection initiation). Compared to a conventional stock usually outfitted from the factories, the Knoxx/Spec Ops stock is sloppy in function and feel and, despite all, it still transmit substantial recoil to the shooter. In a rifle or lower recoiling system this is probably more acceptable (as is variable length of pull). But in the combat shotgun it can ruin your mojo. Also the need for a pistol grip in a pump shotgun is debatable as well (makes more sense for the single-hand-capable auto like Remington Tac-2 or Benellis). All of that is plenty enough reason to avoid the Knoxx stock for shotguns (especially the wire fold-over version). But add in the fact that it BROKE as well during our range session. Perhaps a disconnected spring that's easily repaired but no matter, it just made your shotgun much more difficult if not impossible to shoot in the heat of battle. Good luck with that. Again we see that SIMPLICITY is the ultimate sophistication and leads to higher reliablitiy. For recoil shy shotgunners, who in reality will rarely shoot full-power loads anyhow, I recommend more training with conventional stocks OR transitioning to a tactical or patrol carbine. There are many excellent options. It is presented seductively and lauded in many quarters but Nutnfancy is keeping it real: this is not a stock system I would bet my life on. I am shocked I'm the only one saying so. /////////////////////////// Nutnfancy Likability Scale: NOT RECOMMENDED ////////////////////// Music licensed from TNPr www.youtube.com/eldudio

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[tannersowa1]

why do you dress up just to go target shooting?

[nutnfancy]

@tannersowa1 He's a gear reviewer...he wears gear to test it. Shocker. -- Veri (Nutn's sister)

[nothingnessdarren]

Didn't take time to read every comment to see if it was mentioned, buuuut.. I have the add-on powerpak system or whatever it's called these days that was made to go with the knoxx stock. I had to purchase mine after owning the stock about a year..I did notice the cheek problem after shooting 00 buck all day, not a super big problem but noticeable after shooting all day. The powerpak system completely fixed any problems. You should try it if the cheek problem is keeping you from liking the stock.

[corpsegrinder909]

Thank god I'm subscribed to this channel I was interested in this stock. If nutn and the crew say it sucks then Imma take their word on it, save me the 100 bucks

[nothingnessdarren]

@MrGunRunning I never really had a slapping problem. My main problem was my sight picture sucked with the reflex type optic I was using on a rail because the stock sat so low. The powerpak cheek comb is about an inch give or take and gives a better line of sight. It has the 5 shot side saddle on it as well and a small storage tube type thing. But anyway, never had too much of a slap problem to start with, but I would imagine the powerpak would give a more comfortable cheekweld. I like it.

[MrGunRunning]

@nothingnessdarren Does the cheek piece elevate your face from getting slapped? I saw the cheek piece design and there's kind of like a housing for when it flies back. I'm considering it again now that you said this.

[therunningidiot]

You say it broke. I say it became a precursor to the slide fire stocks.

[j62584]

wish i had seen this before i wasted a hundred bucks on mine.

[nalBleeding]

Thank's again! I would rather take the recoil to my shoulder, rather than my face. lol

[Kylef7735]

@nunvikingsofthesea its for pump shotguns....so no.

[skullpheonix6]

I dont know if anyone has watched patriot36's review but the stock made one guy spit blood

[michu070]

haha looks like you can bump fire it hA. not with pump

[SixFiveGrendel]

Please test the Stoeger M2000 Defense shotgun, I want to know what you think about the inertia system.