@Leaf2812 okay, you know what...you obviously paid no heed to my comments (we will call to the Prophet saww) and did not use Mantiq (logic) so their is no sense in talking to t you
"The Messiah, son of Maryam, was no more than a Messenger; many were the Messengers that passed away before him. His mother was a Siddîqah. They both used to eat food. Look how We make the Ayât clear to them; yet look how they are deluded away (from the truth)"[5:75]
Why does Allah subhanna wa ta'ala say they both ate food? Because some christians use Maryam as tawassul! ALLAHU AKBAR!
@Leaf2812 Allah sees, i see....Allah hears, i hear...Allah (swt) sometimes gifts certain people with his attributes...again i say that the Prophet (saww) can forgive sins...so we have to earn his forgiveness...and if we ask him for forgiveness it is perfectly alright...PLEASE use logic Akhi
@mali14125 No problems with tawassul with the precence of both (in this case the whole humanity)..
The problem is when you call on people who are not here, either dead or in another place where they cannot (and pls refer to Quran 35:14) hear you. You are giving them the attributes of Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala.
Also see this website for proofs (and theres way more than listed in this website)
@Leaf2812 In Islam, Prophet Muhammad (saww) can give Shafa'a (Intercession)...you cannot deny this...so to ask him to intercede will be asking other than Allah (swt)...so all Muslims commit Shirk?!?!?!?!?!? use logic akhi
Audhubilah! Show me a verse where Allah subhana wa taala tells you to call upon others!? Rather, you will ONLY find verses telling you to NOT call upon others as surah fatiha clarifies to you (and many others):
"You (Alone) we worship, and You (Alone) we ask for help (for each and everything)."
ALLAH ALONE! Those whom you call on can neither hear you, and if they were to hear you they couldn't help you.
@mali14125 You haven't given me any authentic hadeeth, you have resorted to calling me an ignoramus as you've been refuted and "go read and stop wasting time" was to someone else. I hope to Allah that He guides you and that He rectifies your affairs. It seems you don't have a solid foundation and your understanding of Tawheed is clearly lacking. This is why we can never unite. So give me the authentic hadeeth with the commentary of the authentic scholars, then we'll talk.
@mali14125
Then show me the proof of tawassul?
Is it just based on emotions?
Leaf2812 1 week ago
@Leaf2812 okay, you know what...you obviously paid no heed to my comments (we will call to the Prophet saww) and did not use Mantiq (logic) so their is no sense in talking to t you
mali14125 1 week ago
@mali14125
Another clear cut PROOF for your SHIRK!
"The Messiah, son of Maryam, was no more than a Messenger; many were the Messengers that passed away before him. His mother was a Siddîqah. They both used to eat food. Look how We make the Ayât clear to them; yet look how they are deluded away (from the truth)"[5:75]
Why does Allah subhanna wa ta'ala say they both ate food? Because some christians use Maryam as tawassul! ALLAHU AKBAR!
Leaf2812 1 week ago
@mali14125
WATCH THIS VIDEO!
/watch?v=nTga6A62Wwg
SUBHANALLAH!
Leaf2812 2 weeks ago
@mali14125
Allahu akbar! LOGIC!?
Are you comparing your vision with Allahs vision! Akhee you are doing SHIRK!
YOUR VISION IS NOTHING COMPARED TO ALLAHS VISION!
The prophet sallallahu alayhi wasallam CANNOT forgive sins, he did make dua for people when he was alive but now he is DEAD.
The SAHABA didnt do tawassul, the TABIUN didn't make tawassul, the TABI AL TABIN didn't do it! WHO ARE YOU TO MAKE TAWASSUL!?
Leaf2812 2 weeks ago
@Leaf2812 Allah sees, i see....Allah hears, i hear...Allah (swt) sometimes gifts certain people with his attributes...again i say that the Prophet (saww) can forgive sins...so we have to earn his forgiveness...and if we ask him for forgiveness it is perfectly alright...PLEASE use logic Akhi
mali14125 2 weeks ago
@mali14125 No problems with tawassul with the precence of both (in this case the whole humanity)..
The problem is when you call on people who are not here, either dead or in another place where they cannot (and pls refer to Quran 35:14) hear you. You are giving them the attributes of Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala.
Also see this website for proofs (and theres way more than listed in this website)
allaahuakbar[DOT]net/misconceptions/115.htm
Stop doing SHIRK!
Leaf2812 2 weeks ago
@Leaf2812 In Islam, Prophet Muhammad (saww) can give Shafa'a (Intercession)...you cannot deny this...so to ask him to intercede will be asking other than Allah (swt)...so all Muslims commit Shirk?!?!?!?!?!? use logic akhi
mali14125 2 weeks ago
@mali14125
Audhubilah! Show me a verse where Allah subhana wa taala tells you to call upon others!? Rather, you will ONLY find verses telling you to NOT call upon others as surah fatiha clarifies to you (and many others):
"You (Alone) we worship, and You (Alone) we ask for help (for each and everything)."
ALLAH ALONE! Those whom you call on can neither hear you, and if they were to hear you they couldn't help you.
Leaf2812 2 weeks ago
@mali14125 You haven't given me any authentic hadeeth, you have resorted to calling me an ignoramus as you've been refuted and "go read and stop wasting time" was to someone else. I hope to Allah that He guides you and that He rectifies your affairs. It seems you don't have a solid foundation and your understanding of Tawheed is clearly lacking. This is why we can never unite. So give me the authentic hadeeth with the commentary of the authentic scholars, then we'll talk.
ManhajSalafi 3 weeks ago