Greg Bahnsen - Introduction to Worldviews (part 6)

Dr. Greg L. Bahnsen - Basic Training for Defending the Faith. Introduction to Worldviews - part six of seven.

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[Entropy56]

Christian "happiness" is based on suffering, self denial, sacrifice, and servitude. These are the values of Jesus. If that is your path to happiness then knock yourself out.

[bandobraeschen]

Christianity is most certainly not anti personal happiness. It is totally pro personal happiness. Check out "christian hedonism" on youtube and watch the first video and if you're interested look at the link on the right there.

[MRKetter81]

Yes but determinism is based on a rationalist epistemology while we base our belief on a foundationalist.

Also the word "random" is very liberally used. Simply because factors cant be accounted for as a whole does not make them litterally random; only unaccounted for, there for unpredicted.

At the very least you got predestination down. I'll give you that much.

[Entropy56]

Greg doesn't even know Ayn Rand's name. He said "Ann Rand." It is quite possible that Greg never read Ayn Rand at all and is just repeating something he read in Christian literature about her.

[Entropy56]

Greg misrepresents Ayn Rands philosophy by saying it is Hedonistic.

Ayn Rands philosophy is called, Objectivism and it states:

1. The highest value is life.

2. The highest good is virtue.

3. The highest purpose is happiness.

This in no way implies living for sensual pleasure. Christianity is the philosophy that one should live altruistically and die to self. It is self denying and anti personal happiness. Yet Christianity at the core is an attempt to escape Hell which contradicts it.

[Entropy56]

Christianity is deterministic for at least these reasons.

1. God knows all future events.

2. God claims to cause whatsoever comes to pass.

3. No event can randomly occur to set off a chain reaction that would change the outcome of world history.

[DetectiveTackett]

"It doesn't matter if I have a worldview or not."

It matters whether or not you understand the problem.

[fiercegallantry]

"We are incapable of ANY reason without a worldview. So the first thing a child gains is a worldview? This suggests that a worldview is cleanly OUTSIDE the territory of reason, because you get one before you get to reason."

Close.

It suggests that the relationship between reason & a world-view is more complicated & subtle than just a question of "Are there crackers in the pantry?"

[fiercegallantry]

"In what way? Are axioms part of a worldview? I fail to see what a worldview is because you haven't defined it."

Bahnsen's definition works for me.

[fiercegallantry]

"Let me get this straight: you are incapable of acknowledging the legitimacy of mathematics, the logical procession of one character to another, without a worldview?"

Yes.